Trinity truth

Introduction

Many people assume that God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit form what is commonly known as the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity is usually summed up as a belief in one God existing in three distinct but equal persons. But did you realize that even though it is a common assumption among many sincere Christian people, the word Trinity does not appear anywhere in the Bible?

In fact, the word Trinity did not come into common use as a religious term until centuries after the last books of the Bible were completed and long after the apostles of Christ were gone from the scene! Could the Trinity doctrine have pagan origins?

This page is primarily designed for Seventh Day Adventists but many of the posts can be used by all denominations. God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

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Index of Parts

1) Was LeRoy Froom the Main Person Responsible for the Change of the SDA Church to the Trinity Doctrine?
2) Froom who Brought the Trinity Doctrine into the SDA Church was not only a Suspected Jesuit but also Freemason!
3) THIS IS THE MAN WHO BROUGHT THE TRINITY INTO THE SDA CHURCH!
4) This Video on the 1888 Message Reveals Froom was a Blatant Liar and Jesus is Literally the Son of God by Birth
5) Was the non-Trinitarian View a God Given Pillar of our Faith?
6) Was the Change to the Trinity in the SDA Church Progressive Truth as Claimed?
7) Are You a True Seventh Day Adventist?
8) Has the Seventh day Adventist Church Apostatized?
9) Why is Ted Wilson Using Antichrist Phrases and Ignoring the Bible and SOP?
10) The Seventh day Adventist Biblical Research Institute Director says Jesus is NOT the Son of God!
11) Does the SDA Church Teach 3 gods that are 1 god?
12) Is the Trinity Doctrine in the SDA Church the Same as the Catholic Church?
13) The Seventh day Adventist Church Agrees with the Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity!
14) Does the Seventh day Adventist Church Admit 1 John 5:7 has Added Text?
15) Whose Name Are We To Be Baptized Into?
16) Whose Name Are We To Be Baptized Into? (Long Version)
17) Baptism In the Name of Christ Alone!
18) Catholic Catechism Says Baptism in the Name of Christ
19) 2 Corinthians 13:14
20) Who was right? The Early SDA Church or the Current SDA Church
21) The Satanic Doctrine of the Trinity Now in the SDA Church!
22) Is the Trinity Doctrine Uniting the SDA Church with Rome?
23) The Bible is to be Our Only Creed!
24) What is The First Step to Apostasy for the SDA Church?
25) How Do You Explain This?
26) We Need to Realize that IF God is a Trinity, Then...
27) Should We Follow The Majority?
28) Who used to be called Heretics?
29) Is the Trinity doctrine Spiritualism and Antichrist?
30) Ellen White Never Taught the Trinity Doctrine!
31) Ellen White never used Trinitarian Phrases with the Trinitarian Meaning
32) Names for the Godhead Compared
33) Did Ellen White Call the Holy Spirit “it”?
34) 30 FACTS about Ellen White, the Trinity and the SDA Church
35) Questions that Need Answers on Ellen White and the Trinity
36) What is the Work of the Holy Spirit?
37) Why are so Many Confused with What a Spirit is?
38) The Personality of the Holy Spirit and Satan's lie
39) If the Holy Spirit is another Being, why doesn't it have a Spirit?
40) Why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a Personal Name if it is another Being?
41) Why do the Father and Son Never Speak to the Holy Spirit if it is a Co-Equal Being with a Personality?
42) How do the Father and Son Live in us?
43) Trinitarians Say the Comforter is Something Called “god the spirit” but SOP and the Bible Says this is a Lie
44) Who Is The Holy Spirit?
45) How Do You Spot a Deceived Trinitarian?
46) The Deception of LeRoy Froom and his Book Evangelism
47) Is the Holy Spirit a Third Being or the Spirit of Christ?
48) Who or What is the Holy Spirit?
49) Did Jesus Raise Himself from the Dead?
50) I AM or I existed?” Why do so Many Get This Wrong?
51) Does Isaiah 43:11 or Hosea 13:4 Prove Jesus is God?
52) Was Jesus the Son of God before His Incarnation?
53) Does the Greek Word “monogenes” for Begotten Mean Jesus was Born of God?
54) When and How was Jesus Born from the Father?
55) Is Jesus a real Son and God a real Father?
56) Was Jesus Always Immortal?
57) Was Jesus Omniscient and Omnipotent On Earth?
58) Who is God?
59) Who is Jesus Christ?
60) Who is Jesus to Me?
61) Who Did Ellen White Say Christ Was?
62) How Many God's Are There?
63) One God or Three?
64) Who Do You Say Jesus Is?
65) Does Romans 9:5 say Jesus is God?
66) Does Titus 2:13 say Jesus is God?
67) Does 1 Timothy 3:16 say Jesus is God?
68) What are the Implications of the Trinity Doctrine?
69) Are You Worshipping Satan and do Not Know it?
70) What is the Origin of the Trinity Doctrine and Sunday Worship?
71) The Catholic Church Say Sunday Worship Comes From Them
72) What Two Things Did The Catholic Church Make In Honour Of Sun Worship?
73) What Are The Two Counterfeits Satan Inspired The Catholic Church To Make To Steal Souls?
74) What Does It Take To Wake People Up?
75) What is the Trinity and What Does the Bible Teach?
76) Who Did Ellen White Call The Heavenly Trio?
77) Who Did Ellen White Call The Heavenly Trio? (Long Version)
78) Is the Desire Of Ages a Trinitarian Book as the SDA Church Claims?
79) Ellen White Wrote non-Trinitarian Statements Until Her Death!
80) What Causes the Most Confusion in Understanding the Holy Spirit?
81) Who did Ellen White say is the: Holy Spirit, Comforter, Spirit of truth, Third Person and Heavenly Trio?
82) Are you Worshipping the Wrong God on the True Sabbath?
83) Does the Phrase Holy, Holy, Holy Imply a Trinity as Some Claim?

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Was LeRoy Froom the Main Person Responsible for the Change of the SDA Church to the Trinity Doctrine?

So how did the central doctrine of the Catholic Church end up as a doctrine of the Seventh day Adventist faith? It may come as a surprise to many that LeRoy Froom was primarily responsible for introducing the Trinitarian doctrine to the Adventist Church, and purposefully set about to promote its acceptance and institute it into the beliefs of the Church.

LeRoy Froom set out to search over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) for anything that could be mistaken as being Trinitarian and managed to find a small handful of quotes that he rightly figured could. He then placed these quotes into his book Evangelism. Most think that the quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was written and compiled by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White.

With the intent to deceive, Froom placed these quotes from Ellen White in his book Evangelism where she had said “third person”, “three great powers” and “Heavenly trio” etc. But all of these in fact refer to the Spirit of Christ and not another being. This is how Froom eventually managed to lead the entire Adventist Church astray because people did not take the time to research what else Ellen White wrote in this regard. She in fact wrote non-Trinitarian statements right through to her death which is very easy to confirm if people would only take the time to look without prejudice.

Looking at all her writings we find she was consistent in all that she wrote.

She said the Comforter is the Spirit of Christ,
the Spirit of truth is the Spirit of Christ,
the third person is the Spirit of Christ,
the third great power is the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was His own Spirit,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was His own Spirit,
the heavenly dignitaries are the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings.

All you have to do is want the truth and to stop reading the quotes from LeRoy Froom with the mindset of a Trinitarian. The early pioneers had no problem with these few quotes that Froom searched for because they knew who the Holy Spirit is and would never read them the wrong way. But if your belief is that the Holy Spirit is another being, then that is what you will see when you read them.

It is also notable that LeRoy Froom did not start with the Bible and then move on to the writings of Ellen White. Instead he did the exact opposite. He actually began with the writings of Ellen White in order to try and find support for his belief. The fact is that Froom's belief in the trinity and the Holy Spirit came from outside of the Seventh day Adventist faith, and he set out to try and support it with statements from the Spirit of Prophecy. The reason LeRoy Froom had to go to outside sources, rather than use writings from our Pioneers is because none of the early pioneers were Trinitarians and therefore did not agree with Froom's opinions. This is also why Froom had to wait until Ellen White and the pioneers had all passed away before he could try and achieve his goal. How could this be a greater light as they called it a hundred years later?

I was compelled to search out a score of valuable books written by men outside of our faith--those previously noted--for initial clues and suggestions.” — (LeRoy Froom, Movement of Destiny, p. 322)

In his book “Movement of Destiny”, which was published in 1971, he tells us how he came to write about the Holy Spirit and believe in the trinity. How much of what he wrote is truth as he understood is unknown considering other facts. He states that what he calls the “Truth of the Trinity” was an inevitable evolution in our theology stemming from the 1888 Conference and message. He concludes his brief account by claiming that the book “The Desire of Ages” presented an “inspired depiction” of the trinity doctrine and because of this it has become our denominations' “accepted position.” And yet the Desire of Ages is filled with non-Trinitarian statements.

LeRoy Froom boasts that the “Desire of Ages” was even publicized in a prominent Catholic journal. Here are his own words, “...The Desire of Ages, of course, presented an inspired depiction, and was consequently destined to become the denominationally accepted position.... The Desire of Ages.... is one of the most highly esteemed books of the Denomination-a recognized classic, even publicized in such a Catholic journal as the “Universal Fatima News” for September 1965.” — (Movement of Destiny; pp. 323, 324). As a professed Seventh day Adventist, why would he be so proud of its endorsement and publicity in a Catholic Journal? That is what you would expect from a Catholic, not an Adventist.

The video Jesuits in the SDA Church has a testimony “alleging” that LeRoy Froom and Roy Anderson were seen working as Catholic Priests before entering the SDA Church. This would explain Froom's enthusiasm about the Catholic journal. Then we have the issue of the book Truth Triumphant written by Adventist theologian Dr. B.G. Wilkinson. This book is an exhaustive study of the history of God's Church in the wilderness and contained statements against the Catholic Church. Froom was angry about the book and ordered the destruction of the offset press plates so the book could not be reprinted. Wilkinson was 80 years of age at this point and could not afford to have the plates made again. Why would an Adventist do such a thing unless of course he was a Catholic? Something is very wrong here and I am inclined to believe the testimony.

On the 14 December 1955, Leroy Froom in a letter to Reuben Figuhr wrote, “I was publicly denounced in the chapel at the Washington Missionary College by Dr. B. G. Wilkinson as the most dangerous man in this denomination.” This took place in the mid 1940's. I believe Dr. B.G. Wilkinson had very good reason for saying this, much to the disgruntlement of Froom.

Note that the “old timers” described in Froom's letter below are our pioneers. They are the ones who knew what the Church believed while Ellen White was alive and they denied the doctrine of the trinity Froom was pushing. So who was left to oppose Froom once Ellen white and the pioneers had passed on?

May I state that my book, The Coming of the Comforter was the result of a series of studies that I gave in 1927-28, to ministerial institutes throughout North America. You cannot imagine how I was pummeled by some of the old timers because I pressed on the personality of the Holy Spirit as the Third Person of the Godhead. Some men denied that –still deny it. But the book has come to be generally accepted as standard.” — (Letter of LeRoy Froom to Otto H. Christensen, Oct 27, 1960)

The following letter from Froom reveals his agenda was to try and convince others that Ellen White was a Trinitarian for the sole purpose of getting the Church to follow his direction. Here is the letter to Roy Allen Anderson revealing its intent and purpose. The abused and misunderstood quotes from Ellen White are still being used to pervert the truth today.

I am sure that we are agreed in evaluating the book, Evangelism as one of the great contributions in which the Ministerial Association had a part back in those days. You know what it did with men in the Columbia Union who came face to face with the clear, unequivocal statements of the Spirit of Prophecy on the Deity of Christ, personality of the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, and the like. They either had to lay down their arms and accept those statements, or else they had to reject the Spirit of Prophecy.
I know that you and Miss Kleuser and I had considerable to do with the selection of these things under the encouragement of men like Elder Branson who felt that the earlier concept of the White Estate brethren on this book Evangelism was not adequate.
” — (Letter from LeRoy Froom to Roy A. Anderson, January 18, 1966)

Froom found “every” major statement from Ellen White that could be abused and misunderstood which means he literally had to look at everything she wrote. Could he be so deceived that he could not tell the difference between a non-Trinitarian and Trinitarian statement? Highly unlikely. He had no trouble finding every single statement that could be misunderstood so he had to know the difference. That means Froom saw the tens of thousands of non-Trinitarian statements that she wrote throughout her entire life. And he would also know that she wrote non-Trinitarian statements right through to her death. So LeRoy Froom had to know Ellen White never became a Trinitarian. How could all that he did not be intentional?

Ask yourself what the following points reveal about LeRoy Froom and his agenda:

1) He looked to sources outside the Adventist Church because he couldn't find anything within our writings to fit his agenda.
2) He searched 100,000 pages (25,000,000 words) of Ellen White's writings for anything that could be misunderstood.
3) He wrote his book Evangelism after a trip to the Vatican in which he placed the misunderstood quotes he found.
4) When Adventists use these quotes they almost always have Froom's book as the source and yet he did not write them.
5) Hence most Adventist Trinitarians believe that Evangelism was written by Ellen White further revealing the deception.
6) Froom boasted that the “Desire of Ages” was even publicized in a prominent Catholic journal.
7) He wrote that the Desire of Ages was an inspired depiction of the trinity doctrine and why it is now accepted by the Church.
8) Yet the Desire of Ages is a non-Trinitarian book proven by all the non-Trinitarian statements again revealing the deception.
9) Froom wrote a letter stating that the pioneers in their old age strongly opposed the trinity doctrine that he was pushing.
10) Froom had the printing plates of a book destroyed that was not his that revealed many truths about the Catholic Church.
11) It is “alleged” that Froom was seen functioning as a Catholic priest prior entering the Adventist Church.
12) Dr. B.G. Wilkinson publicly denounced Froom as being the most dangerous man in the Adventist Church.
13) Froom wrote a letter stating how he was able to change the Church by the Spirit of Prophecy quotes he searched for.

Ellen White said serious error would be brought into the Adventist Church after her death and Revelation 12:17 states that Satan would make war with God's remnant. So how far can and would Satan go? Could some Adventist Pastors have the spirit of Satan while thinking they have the Holy Spirit? Most would say no.

LeRoy Froom a suspected Jesuit

 

Froom who Brought the Trinity Doctrine into the SDA Church was not only a Suspected Jesuit but also Freemason!

Did you know the SDA Church had NOT accepted the Trinity doctrine before the death of Ellen White in 1915. Did she fail in her duties as the prophet for God's Remnant?

It was not for another 17 years in 1931, and even then it was not officially voted on and most did not even know it had happened including Ellen White's son. It was not official until 1981 !

If the Trinity doctrine is so important as claimed, then why did it take nearly TWO DECADES after the death of Ellen White before a dishonest Trinitarian printed it in the first fundamental beliefs?

And why wasn't it voted on?

Why did most not even know this had happened?

Why were non-Trinitarian Sabbath schools lessons still coming out of the GC several years later because they did not even know this had been done?

Why did it take nearly SEVEN DECADES after the death of Ellen White before the Trinity doctrine was actually voted on and became official in 1981?

What spirit does things slowly over time so as not to be noticed?

So how did the CENTRAL DOCTRINE of the CATHOLIC CHURCH end up as a doctrine of the Seventh day Adventist faith?

It was LeRoy Froom who was primarily responsible and purposefully set about to promote its acceptance into the beliefs of the Church.

The video Jesuits in the SDA Church has a testimony “alleging” that LeRoy Froom was seen working as Catholic Priest before entering the SDA Church.

Adventist theologian Dr. B.G. Wilkinson wrote the book “Truth Triumphant” which is an exhaustive study of the history of God's Church in the wilderness, which contained statements against the Catholic Church.

Froom illegally ordered the destruction of the offset press plates so the book could not be reprinted. Why would an Adventist do such a thing?

On the 14 December 1955, Leroy Froom in a letter to Reuben Figuhr wrote, “I was publicly denounced in the chapel at the Washington Missionary College by Dr. B. G. Wilkinson as the most dangerous man in this denomination.”

LeRoy Froom set out to search over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) for anything that could be mistaken as being Trinitarian and managed to find a small handful of quotes that he rightly figured could. He then placed these quotes into his book Evangelism. Most think that the quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was compiled by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White.

It is time to wake up to the fact that we have being lied to and deceived!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLppG2_7LM

 

THIS IS THE MAN WHO BROUGHT THE TRINITY INTO THE SDA CHURCH!

He is also a suspected Jesuit. See the video Jesuits in the SDA Church Part 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLppG2_7LM

 

This Video on the 1888 Message Reveals Froom was a Blatant Liar and Jesus is Literally the Son of God by Birth

It is claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian before completing the Desire of Ages which she finished in 1895. This claim is based on a handful of quotes that LeRoy Froom set out to search for that he rightly figured would be misunderstood.

Froom searched over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) and found a handful of quotes from her that on the surface appeared to fit the Trinitarian concept on the Holy Spirit. But only if you choose to read them as such and at the expense of the thousands of non-Trinitarian statements she wrote.

Froom eventually managed to convince the SDA Church with these misunderstood quotes that Ellen White had become a Trinitarian. But he had to wait until the death of Ellen White and all the pioneers as he could never have achieved this change while they were still alive.

In this video on the real truth of the 1888 message, we find that Ellen White confirms what Waggoner wrote when he said that “Jesus is the Son of God by BIRTH.”

We also find that Froom told blatant lies about what Waggoner wrote.

The main message that exposes the Trinity doctrine starts at 13:35 seconds in but it is best watched from the beginning.

This video is a must watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTIeYhcm5Cg

 

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Was the non-Trinitarian View a God Given Pillar of our Faith?

It was revealed to Ellen White that the Fundamental Principles God gave to His remnant would be discarded. Thus changes to the Fundamental Principles that came after she died would be in error which would include the change to the trinity. Many of the pioneers books were also altered as you will soon see.

The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced.” — (E.G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 204)

This is also supported by the following:

The past fifty years have not dimmed one jot or principle of our faith as we received the great and wonderful evidences that were made certain to us in 1844, after the passing of the time. ... Not a word is changed or denied.” — (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B No. 7)

The Fundamental Principles of truth that God in His wisdom gave to the remnant church were non-Trinitarian. But Trinitarians will claim that this was not one of the pillars of faith which is not so. Remember that the trinity doctrine teaches the Father and the Son are co-eternal and hence the same age, which means Jesus cannot truly be the Son of God. Thus God the Father is not really a Father and the Son of God is not really a Son. It is typically claimed they are just role playing and is spiritualized. This is why the trinity doctrine destroys the personality of the Father and the Son and the truth on the Godhead. In other words, is their personality that of one person? Or do they have the personality of a real Father and Son?

So we find that the truth on the Godhead defines the personality of the Father and His Son while the trinity doctrine destroys their personality as the pioneers and Ellen White both state.

The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A.D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.” — (J.N. Andrews, Review and Herald, March 6, 1855, p. 185)

Ellen White's husband said. “Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away [with] the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ,” — (James White, Review and Herald, December 11, 1855, p. 85)

Note what Ellen White said about her husband and his writings. “God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His Word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing.” — (E.G. White, Testimonies for the Church, 3:502, 1875)

The following quote reveals that the non-Trinitarian view was in fact one of the God given pillars of faith of the Adventist Church.

Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.” — (E.G. White, MR760 9.5, 1905)

There is a reason Ellen White included the Godhead and the sanctuary together. Many do not realize that the trinity doctrine destroys the sanctuary message as seen by the following non-Trinitarian quote.

While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” — (E.G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 166)

Thus the non-Trinitarian view is correct as it was a truth God Himself gave to His remnant. It would be foolish to say that it was not a pillar of faith as it does not get more important than knowing who the Father and Son truly are. Our salvation depends on this and why Satan works hard to stop Christians from looking into this and seeing the extreme importance.

The apostle John called those who were teaching that three were one was antichrist because it denies there is a literal Son of God. Ellen White confirms this also.

Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.” 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Bible pronounces it the manifestation of antichrist.” — (E.G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 686.1)

The Trinity doctrine was created by Satan via the Catholic Church (antichrist), and so if you do not understand the meaning of antichrist in this respect and follow this false doctrine, whose side are you on?

Those who become confused in their understanding of the word, who fail to see the meaning of antichrist, will surely place themselves on the side of antichrist.” — (E.G. White, Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, 949)

Could it be that the way the antichrist power denies the Father and Son is by introducing the Trinity doctrine into Christendom, which destroys their true relationship by denying the personality of God and His Son?

The Trinity doctrine makes it impossible for Jesus to be the literal Son of God, which in turn makes it impossible for God to be His literal Father. So it denies the both the Father and Son. Or in other words, it denies they have the PERSONALITY of a REAL Father and Son. This is what the Apostle John and Ellen White is referring to.

And hence the non-Trinitarian view which does NOT deny the PERSONALITY OF GOD AND OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST was God given! This was a PILLAR OF FAITH of the SDA Church!

Note what else Ellen White wrote on this, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father; [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (Par. 17) ... He who denies the personality of God and of his Son Jesus Christ, is denying God and Christ.” — (E.G. White, Review and Herald, March 8, 1906, p. 9)

What wrong belief denies the personality of God and His Son which is denying God and Christ? Her husband said, “Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away [with] the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ,” — (James White, Review and Herald, December 11, 1855, p. 85)

So if you accept the Trinity doctrine then you deny the personality of God and His Son which Ellen White says denies God and Christ, which both the Apostle John and Ellen White said is antichrist. No longer is their personality that of a true Father and Son. Many Adventists believe their faith is well grounded in the trinity doctrine, but remember this is the foundational teaching of the antichrist which makes it impossible to build on the true rock; Christ the Son of the living God. The antichrist power has built on the premise that Jesus is not the literal Son of God, thus denying the Father and Son relationship. God's true Church will build on the foundation that Peter declared:

Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God ... and upon this rock I will build my Church.Matthew 16:13-18.

To believe the Trinity is actually to be walking in the footsteps of the antichrist power.

Pillars of our faith

 

Was the Change to the Trinity in the SDA Church Progressive Truth as Claimed?

Adventists are told that it was progressive truth that took God's remnant Church from the non-Trinitarian view to the trinity doctrine. That is not progressive truth but a total reversal on the most important of all doctrines.

Adventists are expected to believe that God gave many important truths to His remnant Church but never told them what the correct view was on the Godhead which is a salvation issue. The truth on the Godhead is just as important as the truth on the Sabbath as you cannot have true worship with the Father and Son if you have this wrong.

You so often here Adventists say, “Ellen White was wrong about her understanding of God, and she came to the Trinitarian understanding later on.

Well there is a problem with this. First she was raised as a Methodist who still worship a Trinity to this day. So she already knew about the Trinity. Ellen White received nearly 2000 visions and her first few visions was the truth that the Father is indeed a Father and Jesus is begotten literally and hence is the literal Son of God just as the Bible tells us over and over again.

So Ellen White could not have come out of the Trinity, accept the non-Trinitarian truth, and then go back to the Trinity again and be a true prophet. If one would only care enough to take the time to check, they would find that Ellen White wrote non-Trinitarian statements until her death. This means the quotes from her that have been abused and misunderstood are just that, abused and misunderstood.

Adventists are also expected to believe that God sent Ellen White from place to place correcting others with false doctrines while allowing His own Church to believe the worst false doctrine of all. “I was sent by the Lord from place to place to rebuke those who were holding these false doctrines. There were those who were in danger of going into fanaticism, and I was bidden in the name of the Lord to give them a warning from heaven.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 25, 1905)

So even though God instructed Ellen White to do this, God supposedly never told His own remnant they were in error. Is it important to know if God and Christ are a real Father and Son or a 3 in 1 god that is just role playing? Your salvation depends on it. God would have corrected such an error in an instant. But He did not have to as He gave this truth as one of the pillars of faith from the beginning and why God also told her to recommend the anti-Trinitarian writings of the pioneers.

The change to the Trinity doctrine took place very slowly over many decades. It did not get into the fundamental beliefs for 87 years and even then most did not know it had happened, and it was not official until 136 years after the Church began. There is only one spirit that does things slowly over time so as not to be noticed. That is the spirit of Satan!

But let's make this even clearer. The Lord also instructed Ellen White from the very beginning to correct others who were teaching false ideas regarding God more than once.

After the passing of the time in 1844, we had fanaticism of every kind to meet. Testimonies of reproof were given me to bear to some holding spiritualistic theories. There were those who were active in disseminating false ideas in regard to God. Light was given me that these men were making the truth of no effect by their false teachings. I was instructed that they were misleading souls by presenting speculative theories regarding God. I went to the place where they were and opened before them the nature of their work. ... This is only one of the instances in which I was called upon to rebuke those who were presenting the doctrine of an impersonal God pervading all nature, and similar errors.” — (E.G. White, 3TT 270.4, 271.2)

With the above quote in mind consider the following.

1) How could Ellen White correct others on false ideas and speculative theories about God if she was in error herself?
2) Why would God be content for His own Church to be in error for decades and yet see the urgency to correct others?
3) And why is there no record of her instructing a change to the trinity doctrine? She never even used the word.

There is no record of Ellen White telling anyone she had become a Trinitarian and instructing the Church to change because she never did. If she failed to inform others of such a change then she would have failed in her duty as a messenger of the Lord. Would God instruct Ellen White to go from place to place rebuking those holding false doctrines while allowing His own remnant Church to hold the worst false doctrine of all?

And how could God's prophet correct others on false ideas about Him if her own understanding was false? That is not even possible! God's remnant Church had the God given truth the entire time Ellen White was alive. It was not until after her death and that of the pioneers that error was able to be brought into the Adventist Church. So don't let anyone try and tell you that the change to the trinity doctrine was progressive truth.

Stop and think about this for a moment. If the Trinity doctrine were true, then every mainstream Church that arose after the Protestant reformation which God calls the daughters of Babylon would have been the only Churches with truth. The only mainstream Church in error would have been God's very own remnant Church, which was also the only Church that had a real live prophet to guide them.

Did you get that?

All the daughters of Babylon had truth but God's remnant was the only Church in error! It cannot be God's remnant if it is in extreme error while all others have the truth. And while God's very own remnant Church with its very own prophet was supposedly the only Church in error, God sent her to other places to correct others with false ideas and theories about God.

Again, did you get that?

God's remnant Church and His end time prophet were the only ones with false ideas about God, and God is sending her to correct others with false ideas about God. How can she correct others with false ideas about God when she and God's very own remnant Church was the only Church with false ideas about God? Progressive truth they say! No, progressive error that was slowly brought in over time so as not to be noticed!

It should be very clear that Adventists have been lied to. The whole idea of progressive truth and God's very own remnant Church with a real live prophet to guide them being the only Church in error mocks and insults God.

Not only that but Ellen White was a Methodist and all the other pioneers were also Protestants, and the Trinity doctrine was one of the pillars of Protestantism that came from Catholicism. So how is it that none of the pioneers or Ellen White were no longer Trinitarian according to their church affiliations? The answer should be obvious!

Some Adventists go into denial and claim that God would never allow error to get into His Church. But Ellen White in fact informed us that serious errors would enter the Adventist Church as seen previously.

You continually find such statements being perpetuated in the Adventist Church. God would never allow that to happen, or just because it is Catholic, that does not mean it is wrong, or Ellen White was non-Trinitarian and then became a Trinitarian later in life. Many such lies are constantly being perpetuated to keep Adventists trapped in a serious lie from Satan.

And finally, new light cannot contradict old light or the old light was a lie. God does not and did not lie. No one can deny that Ellen White wrote thousands of non-Trinitarian statements. If the Church went from non-Trinitarian to Trinitarian than God told Ellen White and His Church thousands of lies. What a ludicrous thought.

Pillars of our faith

 

Are You a True Seventh Day Adventist?

Seventh-day Adventists have always believed that all their teachings should be based on the Scriptures. Yet in the 1980 General Conference session at Dallas, Texas when they officially adopted the Trinity as a teaching of Adventism they stated,

While no single Scripture passage states the doctrine of the Trinity, it is ASSUMED as a fact... ONLY BY FAITH can we accept the existence of the Trinity.” — (Adventist Review, Vol. 158, No. 31, p. 4)

There is no other doctrine that Adventists hold that they cannot prove from Scripture. The truth about the Godhead is that it is very clear who the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. While there are areas that one cannot understand because the Lord has chosen not to reveal that information, who we are to worship is plainly shown in God's Word. This is not a mystery.

There is one God the Father! There is one begotten Son, Jesus Christ who is the express image of the Father and possesses all the attributes of His Father. Jesus is the Divine Son of God. There is one Spirit, the shared Spirit of the Father and the Son. We see two Divine beings who share a common Spirit making them one in purpose, thought and action.

Adventists need to remember that to be a remnant, they must be like the original. The founders of Adventism were strong Bible students who took the word of God as it read. They did not spend their time trying to philosophise away the plain and simple teachings found in the Scripture. The Trinitarian view is confusing, nebulous and contradictory to Scripture.

1) The Trinitarian tells us that we must understand that when the term Son of God is used in talking of Christ prior to His birth in Bethlehem, this term is used only in the sense of pointing forward to the time He would be called the Son because of the incarnation. This would apply both to the Scriptures and to the Spirit of Prophecy. However, nowhere does the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy make such a statement. This is pure supposition. The fact is that both speak plainly that Jesus is God's very own Son and existed as such before He ever came to this earth.

2) The Trinitarian view asserts that it was not really God's Son who came to die for you and me, but the member of the Godhead who was playing the role of the Son. However, the Scripture clearly says “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...” John 3:16

3) The Trinitarian tells us that three persons make up one God and because each is God in their own right, each is worthy of praise and worship, and that each may be prayed to. However, the Scripture tells us there are only two beings worthy of worship and praise, the Father and the Son. It also tells us we are to pray to the Father through the Son.

4) The Trinitarian calls the Holy Spirit, “God the Spirit”, but Ellen White or the Scriptures nowhere use this terminology.

Have Adventists philosophised away the plain and simple teachings of the Scriptures and adopted in their place man's ideas of what is right and wrong?

The Trinity has come into God's Remnant Church gradually.

Today it is widely accepted to the point that when someone is confronted about its validity the response is always the same. They never even thought of questioning it.

Were the Adventist pioneers truly the remnant? If they were, then Adventists must believe that they had come out of Babylon in their teachings because that is the mark of the Remnant Church. They could not call others out of Babylon if they themselves were still in “confusion.”

The Name “Seventh day Adventist” was given to the Church when it was non-Trinitarian, not when it became Trinitarian in 1980.

NON-TRINITARIANS ARE IN FACT THE TRUE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS.

 

Has the Seventh day Adventist Church Apostatized?

Since accepting the Trinity doctrine, the Adventist Church now teaches that three literal beings were involved in creation. And yet this is revealed to be error from not only Scripture, but also from Ellen White and the theological facts. This alone reveals that the trinity doctrine is not Biblical and that the Church has in fact taken on serious error. The following is taken from the official Seventh day Adventist web site (Adventist dot org) from their page titled “God in Three Persons” which states:

Three-in-Oneness
“God refers to Himself both as “He” and “Us.” In the Old Testament the plural form of one of the nouns for God (’elohim) is quantitative: “Let Us make man in Our image.” The plural appears both with the verb “Let Us make” and the possessive suffix “Our” (Gen 1:26)”

The argument with Genesis 1:26 is that the Hebrew word “Elohim” for God is plural and so this must mean that God is 3 beings. It is further argued that since the pronoun “us” is used in Genesis 1:26 that this also confirms that God must be 3 and that 3 beings did the creating. Did anyone stop to think that “us” is the Father and Son?

Starting with the Elohim argument. The Greek word for God is “Theos” while the Hebrew word is “Elohim.” Note that the Greek word “Theos” is singular and “only” the Hebrew word for God is plural. This is because the Hebrew people pluralized nouns to denote greatness and this is called a “Plural of majesty.” They did this to express that God is great, not that God is more than one.

Below is one dictionary that not only explains the truth but also informs us that no intelligent scholar uses this deception anymore because the truth is so easily seen and the deception exposed. Hence no one uses this argument anymore unless they are ignorant and deceived and yet the Adventist Church is using this argument.

Elohim is the plural of Eloah ... The fanciful idea that it referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God. Jehovah denotes specifically the one true God, whose people the Jews were, and who made them the guardians of his truth.” — (Smith's Bible Dictionary)

Now for the Bible. Ephesians 3:9 says, “God, ... created all things by Jesus Christ:” God in this verse is obviously someone other than Jesus Christ, and Hebrews 1:2 and John 1:3 also say God created all things by His Son. So who is speaking in Genesis 1:26 and who is He speaking to according to these verses? God said to His Son, “let us make man in our image.” Christ is “the express image” of the Father, so anyone created in the Father's image is also created in His Son's image.

Now for the Spirit of Prophecy. One might ask why the Adventist Church also ignored the Spirit of Prophecy which reveals them to be in error. Genesis 1:26 says, “And God said, Let us make man in our image,” So again, who is speaking and who is He speaking to? Does this mean the one God is three or that God is speaking to His Son? Who did the creating? Was it a trinity or was it the Father and Son as the Bible reveals which is very obvious unless you have believed the lie?

In the beginning, the Father and the Son had rested on the Sabbath after their work of Creation.” — (E.G. White, DOA, p. 769)

The Father and the Son rested after Their work of Creation.” — (E.G. White, MS 25, pp. 3, 4, 1898)

The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD said to His SON, “Let us make man in our image. [Genesis 1:26 quoted]” — (E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pp. 24, 25)

So from three sources the error and deception is easily exposed. Elohim is only referring to the one true God who is speaking to His Son. The Father and Son did the creating and Ellen White on her own unmistakably reveals this. The Seventh day Adventist Church has not only ignored the true meaning of Elohim, but also Scripture and their very own prophet. Why? That is the nature of deception. When you are deceived you do not see the obvious truth.

Please watch this 12 second YouTube video clip and see who the GC President of the Seventh Day Adventist Church says did the creating and ask yourself has the Church become deceived on the Godhead.

Note that President Ted Wilson also confirms that the Adventist Church teaches the three in one God just as Catholicism does. He also uses Catholic phrases to describe the Son and the Holy Spirit which the Bible never uses. Why is he using Catholic terms? He says God the Holy Spirit instead of the Spirit of God, and God the Son instead of the Son of God.

Sadly, it seems that Ted N.C. Wilson is following in his father's footsteps. In 1981, Neal C. Wilson was also GC President and announced that the Church had officially adopted the Trinity doctrine. He wrote, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” — (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3)

Men and women are in the last hours of probation, and yet are careless and stupid, and ministers have no power to arouse them; they are asleep themselves. Sleeping preachers preaching to a sleeping people!” — (E.G. White, 2T 337.2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NO95n1jdho

Ted Wilson SDA President

 

Why is Ted Wilson Using Antichrist Phrases and Ignoring the Bible and SOP?

Since the trinity doctrine teaches a three in one God, then Trinitarians use the corresponding phrases “God the Father,” “God the Son” and “God the Spirit.” They call all three God's. But since the Bible says there is only one God, then Trinitarians have to say that all three are one God.

If this were true, then indeed the Bible would use these phrases and call them all God. So is it true? Does the Bible say this? No! If there really were three God's then the Bible would use these phrases. But it doesn't because there isn't. The Bible means what it says and says what it means! It says there is only one God being “God the Father” and so the Father is the only one called God.

The phrases “God the Son” and “God the Spirit” do not exist anywhere in Scripture, not even once!

These phrases originated from the Catholic Church and were made up to match the doctrine they created.

The Bible uses the phrase “Son of God” because that is who He is. And it uses “Spirit of God” or “Spirit of the Father” as that is what it is.

So why is the President of the SDA Church using made up phrases that have an entirely different meaning and hence are not found in the Bible?

If you are using the Catholic phrases “God the Son” or “God the Spirit,” that never originated from Scripture, then you are following the Papal Church and antichrist, not the inspired words of God.

And who did the creating? Why is Ted Wilson speaking error that also comes from antichrist?

Ephesians 3:9 says, “God, ... created all things by Jesus Christ:” God in this verse is obviously someone other than Jesus Christ, and Hebrews 1:2 and John 1:3 also say God created all things by His Son.

In the beginning, the Father and the Son had rested on the Sabbath after their work of Creation.” — (E.G. White, DOA, p. 769)

The Father and the Son rested after Their work of Creation.” — (E.G. White, MS 25, pp. 3, 4, 1898)

The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD said to His SON, “Let us make man in our image. [Genesis 1:26 quoted]” — (E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pp. 24, 25)

Something is seriously wrong here.

Sadly, it seems that Ted Wilson is following in his father's footsteps. In 1981, Neal C. Wilson was also GC President and announced that the Church had officially adopted the Trinity doctrine. He wrote, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” — (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3)

“Men and women are in the last hours of probation, and yet are careless and stupid, and ministers have no power to arouse them; they are asleep themselves. Sleeping preachers preaching to a sleeping people!” — (E.G. White, 2T 337.2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NO95n1jdho

 

The Seventh day Adventist Biblical Research Institute Director says Jesus is NOT the Son of God!

The well-known Adventist Trinitarian Jerry Moon who was a co-author of the book “The Trinity” wrote:

“That most of the leading SDA pioneers were non-Trinitarian in their theology has become accepted Adventist history,”

He goes on to say, “either the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” — (Jerry Moon, The Trinity, Chapter, Trinity and antitrinitarianism in Seventh-day Adventist history, p. 190)

So were the pioneers wrong or has the Church apostatized from Biblical truth?

Note that Angel Manuel Rodriguez is a Seventh-day Adventist theologian and is the “director” of the Adventist BRI (Biblical Research Institute). In the November 2015 issue of “Adventist World” on page 42 he wrote the following:

“The Son is not the natural, literal Son of the Father. ... The term “Son” is used metaphorically when applied to the Godhead.”

Where is there even the slightest hint in Scripture that they are not a literal Father and Son? As a Seventh day Adventist minister and evangelist said, “Christ is the only LITERAL Son of God. “The only begotten of the Father.” John 1:14.” — (J.G. Matteson, RH, October 12, 1869). [CAPS are added]

How can you say Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and then share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. John 3:16 becomes a lie the moment you deny Jesus is the Son of God.

The Adventist Church now teaches that Christ is only the Son of God in the sense that He was born in Bethlehem. Read the following statements from Ellen White and ask yourself if she is saying that Jesus is the literal Son of God and hence was the first born of heaven before He came to Earth. [CAPS are added]

“God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,”--not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a SON BEGOTTEN in the express image of the Father's person,” — (E.G. White, ST, May 30, 1895)

“The dedication of the FIRST-BORN had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the FIRST-BORN of HEAVEN to save the sinner.” — (E.G. White, DOA, p. 51)

“O what a gift God has made to our world! The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. God SENT HIS OWN SON in the likeness of sinful flesh, liable to physical infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. HE WAS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. His personality did NOT begin with His INCARNATION in the flesh.” — (E.G. White, Lt77, August 3, 1894)

“Satan well knew the position that Christ had held in HEAVEN as the Beloved of the FATHER. That the SON OF GOD should come to this earth as a man filled him with amazement and with apprehension.” — (E.G. White, DOA, p.115)

“Angels that were loyal and true sought to reconcile this mighty, rebellious angel to the will of his Creator. They justified the act of God in conferring honor upon Christ, and with forcible reasoning sought to convince Lucifer that no less honor was his now than before the Father had proclaimed the honor which He had conferred upon His Son. They CLEARLY set forth that CHRIST was the SON OF GOD, existing with Him BEFORE the angels were created;” — (E.G. White, Story of Redemption, 15.2)

“All this holding to sentiments of infallibility is a specious device of the angel that was so exalted in the heavenly court. His beauty was so highly exalted that he thought he should be as God, and Christ must be second to him; but the Lord informed Satan this could not be possible. CHRIST WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” — (E.G. White, Lt157-1910)

In the Bible we find that Christ is called the “Son of God” 48 times, “only begotten” 6 times, “firstborn” 4 times and “the firstbegotten” 1 time. Not once does the Bible even so much as hint that Jesus is only a Son in a metaphorical sense as the director of the Adventist BRI stated. The Bible means what it says and says what it means as does Ellen White.

And she stated, “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God.” — (E.G. White, 8T 268.3)

The Adventist Church has in fact apostatized and rejected Biblical truth that God gave His Church as a pillar of faith.

 

Does the SDA Church Teach 3 gods that are 1 god?

Some Adventist Trinitarians try and hide the fact that the SDA Church teaches the Trinity doctrine that came from the Catholic Church via Satan which is not honest.

Even the SDA website tries to hide the fact that they teach 3 gods that are 3 in 1 by saying things like 3 persons rather than 3 gods for example. But they cannot hide from what they really teach as they expose themselves by their own teachings.

For instance:

Does the SDA Church say Jesus is God? Yes!
Do they use Acts 5 to try and prove the Holy Spirit is God? Yes!
Do they say the Father is God? Yes!

So there is your 3 gods!

Do they try and use 1 john 5:7 to say 3 are 1 despite this being a known corruption which is admitted by the SDA BRI and the SDA Bible Commentary? Yes!

So there is your 3 gods that are 3 in 1 just as the SDA President states in the video below who does not hide what the SDA Church really teaches.

Does he say “God” the Father? Yes! That one is okay.
Does he say “god” the son? Yes!
Does he say “god” the holy spirit? Yes!
Does he say 3 in 1? Yes!

So again, there we have 3 gods that are 3 in 1. And note that he also says they are THREE IN ONE. This is the Catholic Trinity and the phrases “god the son” and “god the holy spirit” are phrases that come from Catholicism and their creation and do NOT exist in Scripture, and have different meanings.

Ted Wilson says 3 gods were involved in the literal work of creation. Were 3 gods involved in creation as he claimed ? No!

How many beings does the Bible say were involved in creation?

Ephesians 3:9 says, “God, ... created all things by Jesus Christ:” God in this verse is obviously someone other than Jesus Christ, and Hebrews 1:2 and John 1:3 also say God created all things by His Son.

So who is speaking in Genesis 1:26 and who is He speaking to according to these verses?

God said to His Son, “let us make man in our image.” Christ is “the express image” of the Father, so anyone created in the Father's image is also created in His Son's image.

How many beings does SOP say were involved in creation? Even Ellen White says Ted Wilson is in ERROR!

“The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD said to His SON, “Let us make man in our image. [GENESIS 1:26 QUOTED]” — (E.G. White, 1SP, 24.1,2)

Please watch this 12 second YouTube video where the GC President of the Seventh Day Adventist Church says there are THREE gods that are 3 in 1 and attributes creation to THREE gods contrary to Scripture and SOP.

This is what happens when you teach a lie from Satan. You get caught out!

“Men and women are in the last hours of probation, and yet are careless and stupid, and ministers have no power to arouse them; they are asleep themselves. Sleeping preachers preaching to a sleeping people!” — (E.G. White, 2T 337.2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NO95n1jdho

Sheild of the Trinity comparison

 

Is the Trinity Doctrine in the SDA Church the Same as the Catholic Church?

J.S. Washburn (1863-1955) was a retired Adventist minister and he and his wife were dear friends of Ellen and James White. He cites his interview with Ellen White at Ottawa, Kansas as being the turning point of his life.

He was converted through J.N. Andrews at age 11, Baptized by James White at 12 and began preaching Adventism at age 21.

Washburn knew his Bible very well in more ways than one. By 1918 he could recite Revelation, Romans, James and 2 Peter. By 1948 he had memorized the entire New Testament and was starting on Isaiah!

When one person begun to try and bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church, J.S. Washburn was one of our brilliant pioneers that tried to stop it.

Note that this is the Trinity doctrine from the Catholic Church that was being brought in. This is a fact that the deceived try and hide from us today. It is time to wake up!

In 1939, Judson S. Washburn wrote an objection letter to the Conference. A sermon delivered by W.W. Prescott that year inspired him to send a lengthy letter denouncing the invasion of the Trinitarian doctrine into the Adventist Church.

Noting that “The doctrine of the Trinity is regarded as the supreme test of orthodoxy by the Roman Catholic Church,” he proceeded to state why it should be rejected. “Satan has taken some heathen conception of a three-headed monstrosity, and with deliberate intention to cast contempt upon divinity, has woven it into Romanism as our glorious God, an impossible, absurd invention. This monstrous doctrine transplanted from heathenism into the Roman Papal Church is seeking to intrude its evil presence into the teachings of the Third Angel's Message...

Washburn goes on to say, “If we should go back to the immortality of the soul, purgatory, eternal torment and the Sunday Sabbath, would that be anything less than apostasy? If, however, we leap over all these minor, secondary doctrines and accept and teach the very central root, doctrine of Romanism, the Trinity, and teach that the son of God did not die, even though our words seem to be spiritual, is this anything else or anything less than apostasy, and the very Omega of apostasy?

Mr. Washburn continues with words that every Adventist should carefully heed,

However kindly or beautiful or apparently profound his sermons or articles may be, when a man has arrived at the place where he teaches the heathen Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, and denies that the Son of God died for us, is he a true Seventh-day Adventist? Is he even a true preacher of the Gospel?” — (The above are portions of a letter written by J.S. Washburn in 1939.

This letter was liked by a conference president so much that he distributed it to 32 of his ministers)

Here is the SDA President declaring the Catholic trinity doctrine. There can be no doubt! There is only ONE Trinity doctrine in any case. There are so many lies we are being told. Time to wake up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NO95n1jdho

Catholic Trinity

 

The Seventh day Adventist Church Agrees with the Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity!

Seventh-Day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity…By virtue of their …belief …in the doctrine of the Trinity, Seventh-Day Adventists are both ontologically and theologically Christians.” — (Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004)

The video shows Ted Wilson stating the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NO95n1jdho

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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Catholic Trinity

 

Does the Seventh day Adventist Church Admit 1 John 5:7 has Added Text?

THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST BIBLE COMMENTARY:

The passage as given in the KJV is in no Greek MS earlier than the 15th and 16th centuries. The disputed words found their way into the KJV by way of the Greek text of Erasmus (see Vol. V, p. 141). It is said that Erasmus offered to include the disputed words in his Greek Testament if he were shown even one Greek MS that contained them. A library in Dublin produced such a MS (known as 34), and Erasmus included the passage in his text. It is now believed that the later editions of the Vulgate acquired the passage by the mistake of a scribe who included an exegetical marginal comment in the Bible text that he was copying. The disputed words have been widely used in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, but, in view of such overwhelming evidence against their authenticity, their support is valueless and should not be used. In spite of their appearance in the Vulgate A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture freely admits regarding these words: “It is now generally held that this passage, called the Comma Johanneum, is a gloss that crept into the text of the Old Latin and Vulgate at an early date, but found its way into the Greek text only in the 15th and 16th centuries” (Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1951, p. 1186).” — (The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 675)

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST BIBLICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE:

The Seventh day Adventist Biblical Research Institute also admits this text in 1 John 5:7 is added. So their final conclusion and advice to Seventh day Adventists was “...you should not use this text.” So the SDA BRI and the SDA Bible Commentary both acknowledge this text is added and say it should not be used, and yet you constantly see Adventists and their key organizations using this verse anyway. So Seventh day Adventists are not following their own advice.

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST SABBATH SCHOOL QUARTERLY:

In some versions of the Bible the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit’ and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth” appear in 1 John 5:7, 8 (NKJV). The only problem is they are a later addition, not found in the original manuscripts.
“Among biblical scholars there is agreement that this statement is not genuine and has been added, probably to support the doctrine of the Trinity…
” — (Sabbath School Bible Study Guide: July – Sept 2009, p. 108)

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST ELLEN G. WHITE ESTATE:

Question about 1 John 5:7
Question:Some years ago I had read some of your publications. At the time I seem to remember a discussion of the devinity of Christ. A refference to 1 John 5:7 was quoated but I cannot find it...can you please tell me where this strong scriptual argument is used?
Thanking you in advance, dws

Answer:Thank you for contacting the Ellen G. White Estate. In answer to your question, though I have to tell you that I have not found any place in the published writings of Ellen G. White where she quotes this passage.
Perhaps that is just as well, because it may not be such a “strong scriptural argument” after all. The verse appears in no ancient Greek manuscript earlier than about the 13th century A.D. That is, despite its inclusion in the 1611 original of the King James Version translation into English, it is highly unlikely that it was in the *original* version of 1 John as John wrote it. No modern Bible translation that I am aware of includes it in the text except the New King James Version, and even this version carries a footnote about the text's absence from Greek manuscripts until relatively recent times. Apparently, it is some scribe's note to himself about the trinity, originally written in the margin of the manuscript he was copying, and later incorporated into the text by another scribe who may have been uncertain about whether or not it was a correction that belonged in the text; in any case, he opted to include it there.
” — (http://ellenwhite dot org/content/file/did-ellen-g-white-believed-doctrine-trinity#document)

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST MINISTRY MAGAZINE:

R.M. Johnston: “The term “Trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible... Nor need we be disturbed by the knowledge that certain words in 1 John 5:7, 8 are spurious additions that found their way into our King James Version from certain manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, where they originated. For while it is true that no formal statement of the doctrine can be found in the most reliable Biblical manuscripts, nevertheless a comparison of Scripture with Scripture makes any contrary teaching untenable.” — (R. M. Johnston, Ministry, Nov 1964, What can we know about the Holy Trinity?)

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST PIONEERS:

D.W. HULL: “The objector contends that Christ and his Father are one person, and in proof of his position quotes 1 John 5:7. “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” This is claimed as very strong proof in support of the trinity. The three persons are spoken of as God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Ghost. I believe I may safely say that, aside from scripture, no such license would be allowable. Men have been so used to perverting scripture, and taking advantage of terms, and pressing them into their service, that they do not realize the magnitude of the crime as they otherwise would. The same expression is frequently used about man and wife; yet no person doubts that a man and his wife are two separate persons, inasmuch as they may be separated by hundreds of miles. Dr. A. Clarke expressly says that this passage[1 John 5:7] is an interpolation. See his Commentary in loco.” — (D. W. Hull, Review and Herald November 10, 1859)

J.N. LOUGHBOROUGH: “The word Trinity nowhere occurs in the Scriptures. The principal text supposed to teach it is 1 John i, 7, which is an interpolation” — (J.N. Loughborough, RH, Nov 5, 1861)

Ellen White confirms changes have been made to Scripture also.

I saw that God had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition.” — (E.G. White, EW, 220.2, 1882)

So why are most Adventists ignorant of these facts and continually quote it? This text is also missing from 99% of all Bible translations.

1 John 5:7-8 was added to the Bible

 

Whose Name Are We To Be Baptized Into?

Acts 22:16arise, and be BAPTIZED, and wash away your sins, calling on the NAME of the LORD.

Acts 4:12for there is NONE other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

WHOSE NAME ARE WE TO BE BAPTIZED INTO?

Acts 2:38Peter said unto them, Repent, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST.”

IN THE NAME OF CHRIST ONLY!

In whose name was EVERYONE baptized into in the entire New Testament?

Acts 8:12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, they were BAPTIZED, both men and women.

Acts 8:16For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were BAPTIZED in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Acts 10:48And he commanded them to be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5When they heard this, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Acts 22:16And now why tarriest you? arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.

Romans 6:3Know you not, that so many of us as were BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST were baptized into his death?

So why is there a 100% CONTRADICTION with Matthew 28:19?

The following dictionary explains,

The historical riddle is not solved by Matthew 28:19, since, according to a wide scholarly consensus, it is not an authentic saying of Jesus, not even an elaboration of a Jesus-saying on baptism.” — (Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 1, 1992, p. 585)

Further research reveals all Bible commentaries and dictionaries quoting on this issue claimed that it was added by the Church of Rome to support their Trinitarian formula.

The quote below states the origin of this baptismal formula.

The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.” — (The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, p. 263)

Matthew 28:19 is the Catholic baptismal formula.

NOT THE WORDS OF CHRIST !

Baptised in the name of Jesus Christ

 

Whose Name Are We To Be Baptized Into? (Long Version)

Acts 22:16arise, and be BAPTIZED, and wash away your sins, calling on the NAME of the LORD.

Acts 4:12for there is NONE other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

WHOSE NAME ARE WE TO BE BAPTIZED INTO?

Acts 2:38Peter said unto them, Repent, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST.”

IN THE NAME OF CHRIST ONLY!

In whose name was EVERYONE baptized into in the entire New Testament?

Acts 8:12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, they were BAPTIZED, both men and women.

Acts 8:16For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were BAPTIZED in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Acts 10:48And he commanded them to be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5When they heard this, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Acts 22:16And now why tarriest you? arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.

Romans 6:3Know you not, that so many of us as were BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST were baptized into his death?

So why is there a 100% CONTRADICTION with Matthew 28:19?

The following dictionary explains,

The historical riddle is not solved by Matthew 28:19, since, according to a wide scholarly consensus, it is not an authentic saying of Jesus, not even an elaboration of a Jesus-saying on baptism.” — (Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 1, 1992, p. 585)

Further research reveals all Bible commentaries and dictionaries quoting on this issue claimed that it was added by the Church of Rome to support their Trinitarian formula.

The quote below states the origin of this baptismal formula.

The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.” — (The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, p. 263)

Matthew 28:19 is the Catholic baptismal formula.

NOT THE WORDS OF CHRIST !

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Baptism in the Name of Christ Alone!

In a book published in 1879 AD a Baptist scholar wrote:

Before his death in 560 AD Pope Pelagius said:
“There are many who say that they baptise in the name of Christ alone and by a single immersion.

See attached image of the actual page from the book.

This tells us that the early practice of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as recorded in The Book Of The Acts Of Apostles was still very popular before 560 AD and just think, this is after all the severe persecution from Theodosius and his Trinitarian mentors who legislated mass persecution between 380 and 395 AD.

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Catholic Catechism Says Baptism in the Name of Christ

In the Catholic Catechism below, the Catholic Church declares that the baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus to the Trinitarian formula in the fourth century. Everyone in the Bible that was baptized, from the day of Pentecost to the Ephesian disciples (the last recorded baptism in the book of acts), was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

So there is evidence that every Christian for the first 300 years was baptized in the name of Jesus!

In the Catholic Catechism you will see the following paragraph.

Into Christ. The Bible tells us that Christians were baptized into Christ (no. 6). They belong to Christ. The Acts of the Apostles (2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) tells us of baptizing “in the name (person) of Jesus.” -- a better translation would be “into the name (person) of Jesus.” Only in the 4th Century did the formula “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” become customary.” — (Bible Catechism, Rev. John C Kersten, S.V.D., Catholic Book Publishing Co., N.Y., N.Y.; l973, p. 164)

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Does Matthew 28:19 Even Support the Trinity as it Reads?

Even if this verse has not been corrupted by the Catholic Church as all the evidence reveals, it still does not support a Trinity.

Nobody denies there is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

It does not say they are three beings,
it does not say they are three in one or one in three,
it does not say these three are the Godhead,
it does not say these three are a Trinity,
it does not say these three are co-equal or co-eternal beings,
it does not say that these three are all God.

And yet some claim this verse supports the Trinity which is clearly not so. It is just a very bad assumption and a lie that we are so often told.

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Baptised in the name of Jesus Christ

 

Baptism in the Name of Christ Alone!

In a book published in 1879 AD a Baptist scholar wrote:

Before his death in 560 AD Pope Pelagius said:
“There are many who say that they baptise in the name of Christ alone and by a single immersion.

See attached image of the actual page from the book.

This tells us that the early practice of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as recorded in The Book Of The Acts Of Apostles was still very popular before 560 AD and just think, this is after all the severe persecution from Theodosius and his Trinitarian mentors who legislated mass persecution between 380 and 395 AD.

Baptism in the name of Jesus

 

Catholic Catechism Says Baptism in the Name of Christ

In the Catholic Catechism below, the Catholic Church declares that the baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus to the Trinitarian formula in the fourth century. Everyone in the Bible that was baptized, from the day of Pentecost to the Ephesian disciples (the last recorded baptism in the book of acts), was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

So there is evidence that every Christian for the first 300 years was baptized in the name of Jesus!

In the Catholic Catechism you will see the following paragraph.

Into Christ. The Bible tells us that Christians were baptized into Christ (no. 6). They belong to Christ. The Acts of the Apostles (2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) tells us of baptizing “in the name (person) of Jesus.” -- a better translation would be “into the name (person) of Jesus.” Only in the 4th Century did the formula “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” become customary.” — (Bible Catechism, Rev. John C Kersten, S.V.D., Catholic Book Publishing Co., N.Y., N.Y.; l973, p. 164)

Catholic Catechism baptism in the name of Jesus

 

2 Corinthians 13:14

Some Trinitarians claim 2 Corinthians 13:14 supports their belief in a Trinity. But this verse in no way affirms the Trinity doctrine which states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three co-equal, co-eternal beings that make up one God.

Nobody denies there is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 13:14 does not say they are three beings,
it does not say they are three in one or one in three,
it does not say these three are the Godhead,
it does not say these three are a Trinity,
it does not say these three are co-equal or co-eternal beings,
it does not say that these three are all God.

It is through the Holy Spirit that both the Father and Son make their abode in you. “If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.John 14:23

By the Spirit the Father and the Son will come and make their abode with you. [John 14:23 quoted]” — (E.G. White, BEcho, Jan 15, 1893)

The Holy Spirit is the presence and power of the Father manifested through Jesus Christ His begotten son. This is not a separate person of the Godhead who is being sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son.

Thus when we have communion with the Holy Spirit, who are we communing with? The Father and Son!

The Adventist pioneers wrote it this way:

The terms “Holy Ghost”, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be “Holy Spirit” (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” — (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890)

And the Spirit of Prophecy this way:

They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet ONE IN SPIRIT,” — (E.G. White, YI, Dec 16, 1897)

One in Spirit because God gave HIS Spirit to HIS Son. “The Father GAVE HIS SPIRIT without measure to HIS SON,” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 5, 1908)

So when we are given the Holy Spirit, are we given another being or God Himself?

In giving us HIS SPIRIT, God gives us HIMSELF,” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)

Thus the Holy Spirit is God's presence and power in you, “The DIVINE SPIRIT that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the PRESENCE and POWER of GOD.” — (E.G. White, ST, Nov 23, 1891)

The SPIRIT OF GOD comes to us through His only begotten Son. “The HOLY SPIRIT, which PROCEEDS FROM the only begotten SON OF GOD,” — (E.G. White, RH, April 5, 1906)

And why Ellen White wrote:

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (Ellen G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (Ellen G. White, Ms36-1891)

So who is the Holy Spirit that has communion (fellowship) with us as our Comforter?

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

And so who is our communion with when we have communion with the Holy Spirit? Another being or the Father and Son?

Man cannot become an agent to work the works of CHRIST unless he is in COMMUNION WITH GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.” — (E.G. White, BEcho, Feb 15, 1893)

As you seek unto those living springs you will, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, be brought into COMMUNION WITH CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, MB 20.1, 1896)

Thus our communion is with the Father and Son THROUGH their Holy Spirit, not another being.

So when Paul spoke of the communion of the Holy Ghost, he was revealing how our communion would be. It would be by the means of the Holy Spirit that we would commune or have fellowship with God and Jesus Christ.

1 John 1:3 says, “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

According to John, we have fellowship with the Father and with his Son, through the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 13:14 supports the non-Trinitarian truth.

2 Corinthians 13:14

 

Who was right? The Early SDA Church or the Current SDA Church

The well-known Adventist Trinitarian Jerry Moon who was a co-author of the book “The Trinity” wrote,

“That most of the leading SDA pioneers were non-Trinitarian in their theology has become accepted Adventist history,”

He then goes on to say,

“either the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” — (Jerry Moon, The Trinity, Chapter, Trinity and antitrinitarianism in Seventh-day Adventist history, p. 190)

Sadly, the latter is true. The present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.

Ellen White wrote this at least 11 years after it was claimed she had become a Trinitarian.

“And now, after half a century of clear light from the Word as to what is truth, there are arising many false theories, to unsettle minds. But the evidence given in our early experience has the same force that it had then. The truth is the same as it ever has been, and not a pin or a pillar can be moved from the structure of truth. That which was sought for out of the Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth today in every particular.” — (E.G. White, Letter 38, 1906)

It was in this three year period that the pillars of faith were established.

So more than 11 years after she supposedly became a Trinitarian, she states that the truths established in these first three years remained the same in every way still in 1906.

So this is a declaration from her that the non-Trinitarian view they held in this period is still truth in every particular.

The Trinity book

 

The Satanic Doctrine of the Trinity Now in the SDA Church!

Here is a table showing the differences of the truth God gave His remnant Church which were non-Trinitarian and the introduction of the word Trinity in the first Fundamental Beliefs in 1931, which was NOT even officially voted on until 1980.

This was done 16 years AFTER the death of Ellen White and after all the original pioneers were dead.

Ellen White wrote:

And now, after half a century of clear light from the Word as to what is truth, there are arising many false theories, to unsettle minds. But the evidence given in our early experience has the same force that it had then. The truth is the same as it ever has been, and not a pin or a pillar can be moved from the structure of truth. That which was sought for out of the Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth today in every particular.” — (E.G. White, Letter 38, 1906)

It was in this three year period that the pillars of faith were established.

So more than 11 years after she supposedly became a Trinitarian, she states that the truths established in these first three years remained the same in every way still in 1906.

So why was it now possible in 1930 to write a new Fundamental Statement of Beliefs?

1.Uriah Smith became silent when he died in 1903.
2.Daniel Bordeau became silent at his death in 1905.
3.Ellen G. White became silent at her death in 1915.
4.Ellet J. Waggoner and Dr. David Paulson became silent when they died the following year in 1916.
5.Stephen N. Haskell became silent at his death in 1922.
6.Alonzo T. Jones became silent at his death in 1923.
7.John Norton Loughborough became silent at his death in 1924.

By the end of the 1930's the last remaining “old guard” pioneers had died and a new generation of Adventist leaders was coming into prominence. The timing was possible for the change in 1930 because certain individuals would not be able to sound an alarm. Their voices were now silent.

Their writings could still speak but this would not be as effectual as a live pioneer speaking in protest to the changes that began in 1926.

For many years the writings of pioneer Adventists were eliminated from the shelves of Adventist Book Centers. The writings of E.J. Waggoner and A.T. Jones had been virtually impossible to find until recent years. “Leaves Of Autumn Books” and other independent ministries are responsible for the restoration of pioneer Adventist writings being restored including to Adventist Book Centers.

In 1980, the General Conference voted on a new set of “27 Fundamental Beliefs” in which the trinity doctrine was upheld. Fundamental belief number 2 now read, “2. The Trinity. There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.” (Emphasis).

The concept delineated here is that there are “three co-eternal Persons” and this part is in complete harmony with the Catholic Church's pagan teaching regarding the trinity.

In 1981, SDA General Conference President, Neal C. Wilson, announced to the General Conference meeting in Dallas, Texas, that the Church had officially adopted the trinity doctrine, which was now number 2 in the Church's “27 Fundamental Beliefs.” He wrote, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” — (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3)

I for one cannot disagree with his statement. As far as the three-in-one part of the trinity doctrine goes that says, the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three gods but one God, they are now on par with the Catholic Church just as the Papacy and Satan had no doubt planned.

The Name “Seventh day Adventist” was given to the Church when it was non-Trinitarian, not when it became Trinitarian in 1980.

NON-TRINITARIANS ARE IN FACT THE TRUE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS.

Change to Adventist beliefs

 

Is the Trinity Doctrine Uniting the SDA Church with Rome?

The Catholic Church says, “The mystery of the trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church.” — (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11)

The Catholic Church even confess the Trinity doctrine is not found in the Bible!

Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture . . . But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the TRINITY, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, October 30, 1950, p. 51)

In 1931 the word trinity appeared in the Adventist statement of beliefs for the first time but it was not official. It was not for another 50 years before the trinity doctrine was officially accepted as being part of the doctrinal beliefs. It is interesting to see what was written in the Review about this issue shortly after its acceptance at the Dallas Convention in 1980.

While no single Scripture passage states the doctrine of the Trinity, it is assumed as a fact... only by faith can we accept the existence of the Trinity.” — (Adventist Review, Vol. 158, No. 31, p. 4)

It is ASSUMED? Only by FAITH?

Not only does the Catholic Church confess it is not found in the Bible. But even the Seventh day Adventist Church originally stated that it is NOT found in the Bible!

Oh how things have changed today as we now hear every false argument under the sun to try and prove that it is.

So what happened?

Why is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith now part of SDA fundamental beliefs?

The question was asked in the Catholic Catechism, “What is Sunday...”

The answer was that Sunday “is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honor of the most holy Trinity.” — (R&H, vol. 5, no. 24, p. 86)

An interesting statement considering “Sunday worship” and the “Trinity doctrine” both came from sun and Satan worship in Babylon, and they were both brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church whom God calls Babylon!

They are also both about who we worship which Revelation 13 and 14 reveals is exactly what the mark of the beast issue is all about. So do we worship the one true God on His Holy day or the pagan Catholic 3 in 1 god? And what about the Seal of God. Which God do we need to be sealed by? The one true God the Father or the pagan Catholic 3 in 1 god. It is impossible to worship the true God on a false day of worship. And it is impossible to worship a false God on the true Sabbath.

Since “Sunday worship” and the “Trinity doctrine” were both brought into Christendom by the beast (Papacy), then consider the following.

The third angel's message has been sent forth to the world, warning men against receiving the mark of the beast or of his image in their foreheads or in their hands. To receive this mark means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the word of God.” — (E.G. White, R&H, July 13, 1897)

And Ellen White says there is still more to be revealed.

The light that we have upon the third angel's message is the true light. The mark of the beast is exactly what it has been proclaimed to be. Not all in regard to this matter is yet understood nor will it be understood until the unrolling of the scroll,” — (E.G. White, 6T 17.1, 1900)

Sun-day is Satan's counterfeit for the true Sabbath and the Trinity doctrine is Satan's counterfeit for the Godhead.

As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity,” — (J.S. White, RH, Sept 12, 1854, p. 36)

So “Sunday worship” and the “Trinity doctrine” both came from sun and Satan worship in Babylon, and they were both brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church whom God calls Babylon!

So why do we so strongly reject the Catholic pagan sabbath being Sunday, but embrace their pagan doctrine of the Trinity?

Since when does God's remnant fight to support a doctrine from the beast that has the same origin as the pagan Catholic Sabbath?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VETSLObCRDU

 

The Bible is to be Our Only Creed !

From their beginnings in the 1840's, Adventists opposed the adoption of a statement of beliefs arguing that the Bible was their only creed.

The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this Holy Word will be in harmony. Our own views and ideas must not control our efforts. Man is fallible, but God's Word is infallible. Instead of wrangling with one another, let men exalt the Lord. Let us meet all opposition as did our Master, saying, “It is written.” Let us lift up the banner on which is inscribed, The Bible our rule of faith and discipline.” — (E.G. White, RH, Dec 15, 1885)

She also wrote, “We are not saved as a sect; no denominational name has any virtue to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.” — (E.G. White, RH, Feb 10, 1891)

Now I take the ground that creeds stand in direct opposition to the gifts. Let us suppose a case: We get up a creed, stating just what we shall believe on this point and the other, and just what we shall do in reference to this thing and that, and say that we will believe the gifts too. But suppose the Lord, through the gifts, should give us some new light that did not harmonize with our creed; then, if we remain true to the gifts, it knocks our creed all over at once. Making a creed is setting the stakes, and barring up the way to all future advancement. God put the gifts into the church for a good and great object; but men who have got up their churches, have shut up the way or have marked out a course for the Almighty. They say virtually that the Lord must not do anything further than what has been marked out in the creed. A creed and the gifts thus stand in direct opposition to each other. Now what is our position as a people? The Bible is our creed. We reject everything in the form of a human creed. We take the Bible and the gifts of the Spirit; embracing the faith that thus the Lord will teach us from time to time. And in this we take a position against the formation of a creed. We are not taking one step, in what we are doing, toward becoming Babylon.” — (James White, RH, October 8, 1861)

The Bible our only creed

 

What is The First Step to Apostasy for the SDA Church?

Has the SDA Church set up a creed? YES!
Does this creed tell us what to believe? YES!
Does the SDA Church make it a test of fellowship? YES!
Does the SDA Church try members by this creed? YES!
Does the SDA Church denounce those who do not follow their creed heretics such as those who had the brains to study and reject the Satanic doctrine of the Trinity that a suspected Jesuit brought into the SDA Church after the death of EGW and the pioneers? YES!
Does the SDA Church then commence persecution against these people? YES!

The SDA Church has apostatized and worse, it has adopted the Satanic doctrine of the trinity!

The Bible our only creed

 

How Do You Explain This?

The Hebrews did not, and still do not worship a Trinity
Jesus did not worship a Trinity
The apostles did not worship a Trinity
The SDA pioneers did not worship a Trinity

BUT …
The Roman Catholic Church (and her followers) worships a Trinity
The Hindus worship a Trinity
The ancient Egyptians worshiped a Trinity
The Zoroastrians worshiped a Trinity
Modern SDA's (since 1980) worship a Trinity

Isn't it amazing that while many of the heathen nations around them worshiped a Trinity, the Hebrews didn't? Did the heathen have a better understanding of God than His own people?

Amazing that the protestant Churches all worshiped a Trinity while the SDA Church, the people whom God was calling out from among them rejected the Trinity. Did “Babylon” worship the true God while those whom he claimed as his, worshiped a false God?

The wise will understand these things.

CLEARLY AN ENEMY HATH DONE THIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POCobYxEKPo

 

We Need to Realize that IF God is a Trinity, Then...

1. Jesus is not the literal Son of God, the Father.

2. The Holy Spirit is not God's (the Father's) Spirit with which He is everywhere present but a third, separate person.

3. Jesus should have called the Holy Spirit His Father because the Bible clearly teaches that it was the Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary. (Luke 1:35)

4. Jesus never really died because God cannot die (He is immortal—1 Timothy 6:16)
a) And because of it, He has never really paid the price for us and the atonement was not complete.
b) He had a part of Himself that was conscious after His death, founding the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

5. Jesus was never tempted here on earth because the Bible says “God cannot be tempted with evil” (James 1:13)

6. We have a Comforter (the Holy Spirit who is a separate being, other than Christ) who was never a human being, was never tempted and tried as we are and never suffered death for us.

7. At the new birth, we will possess the Holy Spirit's life (who was never a human Being and never conquered sin). This life is not a victorious life and there is no union of humanity and divinity in it.

8. We could never really study our Bibles without theological education because it is hard to know when God speaks in a literal and when in a metaphorical sense. (He calls Jesus His Son but in reality He is not.)

9. We have 2 Mediators and 2 Intercessors: Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

10. Jesus is removed from being our Comforter, and the 3rd Person of the Godhead takes His place thus causing us to look apart from Jesus in another direction.

Trinity doctrine is false

 

Should We Follow The Majority?

Matthew 7:13-14Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

MAJORITY OR FEW? In the days of Noah, who had the truth? The majority or the few? It was the few, as only 8 people were saved from the flood.

MAJORITY OR FEW? When Elijah was on the mount with 450 “prophets” of Baal, who had the truth? The majority? No, only ONE PERSON had the truth amongst 450!

MAJORITY OR FEW? When the king of Babylon issued a decree for all to bow to the golden image, and Daniel's three friends refused. Who was in the right? The majority who did bow down and conform to the state, or the few who didn't? The few were right!

MAJORITY OR FEW? When the command was given during the reign of king Darius to not pray to God for thirty days, were the majority who went along with that decree in the right, or the few? Yet again, the few, when one man Daniel continued to do what was right and prayed to God.

MAJORITY OR FEW? During the days of Jeremiah the prophet of God. Did the majority have the truth or the few? The few!

MAJORITY OR FEW? During the time of Jesus Christ, who had the truth? The majority or the few? Yes, you guessed it, the few!

MAJORITY OR FEW? During the dark ages, when the Roman Catholic Church reigned the world. Who had the truth? The majority within the “visible church”, or the few scattered around the world, reading and following the scriptures? Yes, the few!

MAJORITY OR FEW? During the dark ages, how many kept the “true Sabbath”? And today the majority still keep Sunday which came from sun and Satan worship in Babylon!

MAJORITY OR FEW? Pagan Trinity 3 gods in 1 or 1 in gods versus the One true God which is Biblical. Millions have followed the pagan Trinity but only a handful that followed the biblical One true God.

In fact, Sunday worship and the Trinity doctrine both have the same origin. Sun and Satan worship in Babylon! Sunday is Satan's counterfeit for the true Sabbath and the Trinity doctrine is Satan's counterfeit for the Godhead.

“As fundamental errors, we might class with this COUNTERFEIT SABBATH other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, THE TRINITY,” — (J.S. White, R&H, September 12, 1854, p. 36). 

We find this question in the CATHOLIC CATECHISM,

“What is Sunday...” There answer is that Sunday “is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honor of the most holy Trinity.” — (R&H, vol. 5, no. 24, p. 86)

Majority quote by Mark Twain

 

Who used to be called Heretics?

Ignatius of Antioch was a student and disciple of the Apostle John whom God trusted the book of Revelation.

Note below from John's disciple some of the different errors that were creeping into the early Church. Would John have corrected Ignatius if he was in error?

And most significantly, note that Ignatius did not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one god or that Jesus was co-eternal with the Father. And since Ignatius was John's disciple, what did John teach his student?

They introduce God as a Being unknown; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten; ... Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, AND THAT THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE BUT THE SAME PERSON, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power. Be on your guard, therefore, against such persons.” — (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, Chapter VI - Abstain from the Poison of Heretics)

Notice the name of this chapter is called “Abstain from the Poison of Heretics.”

Oh how things have changed.

Those who reject the pagan three in one god principle are typically called heretics today, and yet in John's time it was the other way around.

Never underestimate Satan to turn truth into error and error into truth. The Trinity is a creation of Satan via the Catholic Church. Do not be deceived and do not assume as most keep doing.

 

Is the Trinity doctrine Spiritualism and Antichrist?

God instructed Ellen White that the anti-Trinitarian writings of our pioneers were to reproduced.

God has given me light regarding our periodicals. What is it? -- HE HAS SAID THAT THE DEAD ARE TO SPEAK. How? -- Their works shall follow them. WE ARE TO REPEAT THE WORDS OF THE PIONEERS IN OUR WORK, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. They moved forward step by step UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. One by one these pioneers are passing away. The word given me is, LET THAT WHICH THESE MEN HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST BE REPRODUCED.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 25, 1905)

So not only did Ellen White not rebuke the pioneers for their anti-Trinitarian writings, but GOD INSTRUCTED HER to make sure that the writings of the pioneers were reproduced!

From this alone we have two choices. Either she was a false prophet and had no trouble with others teaching serious error on something as important as who the Father and Son are. Or the non-Trinitarian view is correct.

We should expect no less as the non-Trinitarian view was in fact a GOD GIVEN PILLAR OF FAITH.

Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the PERSONALITY OF GOD OR OF CHRIST, are working as BLIND MEN. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.” — (E.G. White, MR760 9.5, 1905)

Note carefully below what Ellen White is referring to when she says the PERSONALITY OF GOD OR OF CHRIST.

Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: “Who is a liar but he that DENIETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST? He is ANTICHRIST, that DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.” 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, DENIES BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON, AND THE BIBLE PRONOUNCES IT THE MANIFESTATION OF ANTICHRIST.” — (E.G. White, PP, p. 686.1)

The Trinity doctrine was created by Satan via the Catholic Church (antichrist), and so if you do not understand the meaning of antichrist in this respect and follow this false doctrine, whose side are you on?

“Those who become confused in their understanding of the word, who fail to see the meaning of antichrist, will surely place themselves on the side of antichrist. ” — (E.G. White, SDA Commentary, vol. 7, 949)

Note how Ellen White links the PERSONALITY OF GOD AND OF HIS SON with 1 John 2:22-23 and ANTICHRIST.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father; [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (Par. 17) ... HE WHO DENIES THE PERSONALITY OF GOD AND OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, IS DENYING GOD AND CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, RH, March 8, 1906, p. 9)

The Trinity doctrine makes it impossible for Jesus to be the literal Son of God, which in turn makes it impossible for God to be His literal Father. So it denies the both the Father and Son. Or in other words, it denies they have the PERSONALITY of a REAL Father and Son. This is what the Apostle John was referring to and also what Ellen White was referring to.

This was a PILLAR OF FAITH of the SDA Church!

And hence the non-Trinitarian view which does NOT deny the PERSONALITY OF GOD AND OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST was GOD GIVEN and why God instructed her to reproduce the anti-Trinitarian writings of the pioneers. These were TRUTH and God given!

Let's make this even clearer.

What wrong belief denies the PERSONALITY OF GOD AND HIS SON which is denying God and Christ which is antichrist?

Her husband said,

Here we might mention the TRINITY, which does away [with] the PERSONALITY OF GOD, AND OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST,” — (James White, RH, Dec 11, 1855, p. 85)

And from Andrews also,

The doctrine of the TRINITY which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A.D. 325. This doctrine DESTROYS THE PERSONALITY OF GOD, AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST our Lord.” — (J.N. Andrews, RH, March 6, 1855, p. 185)

If Ellen White and the Apostle John call this antichrist, is it a salvation issue? You can be sure it is!

To deny Jesus is the Son of God is antichrist

or

Trinity doctrine is antichrist

 

Ellen White Never Taught the Trinity Doctrine!

Trinitarians falsely claim that Ellen White became a Trinitarian primarily based on statements that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit.

Sadly, it is easy to abuse and misunderstand some of her statements regarding the Holy Spirit because she called the Holy Spirit the third person though she was referring to the Spirit of Christ, not a third god, which has confused many.

Besides her clarity in revealing that it was the Spirit of Christ she called the third person, she also wrote many statements revealing there are only two beings. Though it seems most Trinitarians choose to remain blind to these statements.

The problem is that Trinitarians fight to prove what they have been taught which closes their minds to finding truth. Their minds are not open to finding truth because they believe they already have it, so they study to prove what they already believe in spite of all the evidence against what they believe.

So while Trinitarians falsely claim that Ellen White became a Trinitarian based on statements that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only a small part of the equation which was the final part of the trinity doctrine. The 3 in 1 god idea was made up in 325 AD but the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third god was not made up until 381 AD.

So the basis of the trinity doctrine is a “3” in “1” god. In other words, 1+1+1=1 !

So in order for Ellen White to be a Trinitarian, she has to teach “3” co-equal, co-eternal gods that are not “3” gods but “1” god.

If Trinitarians CANNOT produce at least ONE clear statement from Ellen White that says the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are “3” gods that are only “1” god, then in fact they have no argument! It means they have misunderstood some of her other statements in regards to the Holy Spirit which the truth seekers know to be the case and have no problems with.

Ellen White never used Trinitarian phrases such as, “God the Holy Spirit,” “God the Spirit,” “God the Son,” “God in three persons,” or “Trinity” in reference to the Godhead, “Triune God,” “Co-equal” in reference to 3 gods, “Co-eternal,” “Consubstantial,” “First Person,” “Second Person,” and “Third person” while referring to a third god. Ellen White taught the third person was the Spirit of Christ.

The Trinity doctrine teaches “3” gods being the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And hence the Holy Spirit is the third god.

But Ellen White taught that it is the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ since she taught the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

Count to see who she taught was the third person. ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.”

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

So Ellen White NEVER in fact taught a “3” in “1” god or even that all “3” are co-equal and co-eternal. And I challenge any Trinitarian to produce a quote from her that says otherwise.

non-Trinitarian phrases

 

Ellen White never used Trinitarian Phrases with the Trinitarian Meaning

The trinity doctrine teaches “3” co-equal, co-eternal beings that are not 3 gods but 1 god. Ellen White never wrote that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were “3” co-equal beings. But she did use the word “co-equal” ONCE to refer to the Father and Son ONLY but not the Holy Spirit. So I have excluded this. Here is what she meant in this beautiful non-Trinitarian statement.

God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. HE HAS BEEN MADE EQUAL with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.” — (E.G. White, 8T 268.3)

And when the phrase “third person” is used in reference to the trinity doctrine, it is referring to a third god. And so since Ellen White was referring to the Spirit of Christ when she said “third person,” she never once used a Trinitarian phrase which of course are also never found in the Bible being a false doctrine brought in by Satan through the Catholic Church.

Count to see who Ellen White says is the third person. “They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

non-Trinitarian phrases

 

Names for the Godhead Compared

There are many names and phrases associated with the Trinity doctrine but none are Biblical and hence none of them exist in Scripture.

Below are phrases found in Scripture for the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit compared to Trinitarian phrases. The Trinitarian will argue that while the word Trinity is not in the Bible, the doctrine is.

But there is nothing but straw man arguments, and this doctrine is just as absent as any of these manmade Trinitarian words.

Names of the Godhead compared

 

Did Ellen White Call the Holy Spirit “it”?

Ellen White referred to the Holy Spirit as “it” many times which is something she never did in reference to God or Christ. Why is it appropriate to call the Spirit it but not the Father or Son? This means the three cannot be co-equal as you would never, ever, refer to the Father or Son as “it.” And you cannot be a Trinitarian if calling the Holy Spirit an it.

The Lord would have every one of His children rich in faith, and this faith is the fruit of the working of the Holy Spirit upon the mind. It dwells with each soul who will receive it, speaking to the impenitent in words of warning, and pointing them to Jesus, the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. It causes light to shine into the minds of those who are seeking to co-operate with God, giving them efficiency and wisdom to do His work.” — (E.G. White, ST, September 27, 1899)

 

30 FACTS about Ellen White, the Trinity and the SDA Church

1. Ellen White never used the word Trinity or Triune God or the pagan three in one formula in any way whatsoever.

2. She also never used the Catholic phrases God the Son or God the Holy Spirit used by Trinitarians.

3. She used the term third person only to refer to the Spirit of Christ and hence is different to the Trinitarian meaning.

4. Hence she never used the terms first person or second person since third person was non-Trinitarian to her.

5. She states that God sent her from place to place to rebuke those who were teaching false doctrines.

6. She never corrected her husband or the early pioneers for their anti-Trinitarian teaching.

7. From 1844 God also had her correct those teaching false ideas about God but how can she do that if she is in error?

8. In 1905, Ellen White wrote that God told her to reproduce the works of the pioneers that were anti-Trinitarian.

9. The above points make sense because the non-Trinitarian view was God given and one of the Pillars of Faith.

10. Ellen White corrected Kellogg not just for Pantheism but for teaching the trinity doctrine and the Holy Spirit as god.

11. The world saw the Adventist Church and Ellen White as being non-Trinitarian two years before her death.

12. The Church stopped printing their official stand of no Trinity in the Yearbook the year Mrs. White died.

13. She never requested that her books be re-edited and the non-Trinitarian thoughts removed since they were truth.

14. In 1905, Ellen White wrote that God never told her to change anything that she ever wrote since she was a girl.

15. It is claimed Ellen White became a Trinitarian before 1895 but in 1905 she wrote that she never changed anything.

16. It is claimed she was Trinitarian when she wrote the Desire of Ages and yet this book is full of non-Trinitarian quotes.

17. After this she wrote that what was truth in the beginning was truth now and that new truths never contradicted the old.

18. Well after the Desire of Ages she strongly promoted non-Trinitarian books to the world that Froom later had edited.

19. The change and so called greater light originated from sources outside of the Seventh day Adventist Church.

20. It is alleged that Adventist LeRoy Froom was seen working as a Catholic priest prior to entering the Church.

21. Froom deliberately set out to find anything that Ellen White wrote that could be wrongly interpreted as being Trinitarian.

22. Froom had to search over 100,000 pages of Ellen White's writings to find a handful of misunderstood quotes.

23. The quotes are misunderstood because most do not know that Ellen White says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.

24. Thus she teaches that the Comforter, Spirit of truth and the Spirit that Christ breathed on His disciples was His Spirit.

25. Ellen White states that the “third person” in the “three great powers” and the “heavenly trio” is in fact the Spirit of Christ.

26. So we also find that she called the Spirit of Christ a “person” which is where most of the confusion comes from.

27. She calls His Spirit a person because His Spirit can function independently of Himself and so it is like it is another.

28. Ellen White never told anyone she was a Trinitarian and so this was only wrongly assumed years after her death.

29. The only Biblical support for the trinity doctrine was not from God but was added by our adversary to pervert the truth.

30. Ellen White wrote non-Trinitarian statements all the way to her death and all you have to do is look and see!

Ellen G. White

 

Questions that Need Answers on Ellen White and the Trinity

1. Why didn't Ellen White rebuke the two messengers of the 1888 Message during the 1890's for their views on the Sonship of Christ, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the Latter Rain and the Loud Cry, as they clearly differed from the Trinitarian position? Instead we find that God told her in 1905 that the works of the pioneers were to be reproduced.

2. For a prophetess who borrowed some terms, expressions and sometimes whole sentences from other writers, why was she meticulously careful never to once borrow the term trinity, or to state it in no uncertain terms?

3. Why is there no record of a vision or dream from the Lord telling Ellen White to change her views, and to correct the views of the denomination to accept the trinity doctrine? Instead we find that God told her the opposite. In 1905, which is ten years after it is claimed she had become a Trinitarian, God told her to reproduce the works of the pioneers that were anti-Trinitarian. She also said that God had not instructed her to change anything that she ever wrote since she was a girl.

4. As the prophetess to the last days remnant Church, wouldn't she have been duty bound to go to the leaders of the Adventist denomination at the time, and explain to them their error? Why didn't she call a meeting of the leaders and scholars of the Church at the time and do this? If Ellen White failed to rebuke such a falsehood then she would have failed miserably in her duty as a messenger of the Lord. “reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and doctrine.” 2 Timothy 4:2

5. Why didn't she write private testimonies to any of the Church leaders, clarifying the necessity to change to Trinitarianism? Was it Ellen White's way to allow people to continue to believe and teach error, and then just publish a book, and leave it to gradually change the mind of whoever might read it, without even saying to anybody “we were wrong on this matter?”

6. Why did she choose to publish her supposed new views in an evangelistic book designed for the general public, as if she wanted the world to think the Adventist Church was Trinitarian? Would not this be deceptive on her part, and against Gospel order (Matthew 18:15-17)? The method she chose to employ on this issue opened the whole Church to public embarrassment, scandal and controversy. But nothing came of it at the time. Why is this so?

7. Why did Ellen White pen these words five years after the publication of The Desire of Ages in 1903? “In Desire of Ages, PP, The Great Controversy, and in Daniel and the Revelation, there is precious instruction. These books must be regarded as of special importance, and every effort should be made to get them before the people.” — (E.G. White, 21MR 440.4 and Letter 229, 1903). Ellen White saw no problem between Uriah Smith's non-Trinitarian 'Daniel and the Revelation' and her supposedly Trinitarian 'Desire of Ages.' Here she recommends books that were unmistakably non-Trinitarian and a Trinitarian would never do that yet alone highly promote them. It was in 1945 that LeRoy Froom had two pages (710 words) of non-Trinitarian statements removed from the book 'Daniel and the Revelation' which she said was of special importance and every effort should be made to get it before the people. LeRoy Froom said that out of all the books he had edited, 'Daniel and the Revelation' by Uriah Smith was the worst. So either she was not a Trinitarian or she strongly promoted a false doctrine to the world, which would make her a false prophet. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20

8. Why didn't Ellen White organize in the 17 years after the Desire of Ages was published, to re-edit her books as Froom had done, to remove the many non-Trinitarian thoughts, thus aiding the Church along the supposed path of truth? Perhaps God made a bad choice and LeRoy Froom should have been the chosen prophet since he did what she did not do.

9. It is a known fact that The Desire of Ages was largely compiled from her existing writings, put together by herself and her assistant. It was also a book which took some years to compile. There was no reaction when these so called “Trinitarian statements” were first published in the years prior to 1898. Why then in more recent years do scholars make such strong statements about the importance of the book in changing the direction of the whole denomination? And yet these statements made very little impact on the minds of leaders, scholars and teachers within the Church for many years. Why is this so?

10. If Ellen White was a Trinitarian when she finished writing the Desire Of Ages in 1895, why were the “official beliefs” of the Seventh day Adventist Church, that were printed in every Yearbook, still non-Trinitarian when she died in 1915, being 20 years after the release of this book, and 36 years before the first “fundamental beliefs” even contained the word Trinity? How can this be? The Church should have been Trinitarian before 1900. As stated many times already, Trinitarians claim that her writings changed to Trinitarian by the time she wrote the Desire Of Ages which was finished in 1895. And yet the Desire of Ages is in fact full of non-Trinitarian statements. And not forgetting that Ellen White said ten years after this book was finished that the truth never changed and new truths never contradicted the old.

In the February 1983 Ministry magazine, Adventist leadership published a statement on “The inspiration and authority of the Ellen G. White writings.” Under the heading “Denials” we read:

“3. We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White function as the foundation and final authority of Christian faith as does Scripture.
4. We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White may be used as the basis of doctrine.
6. We do not believe that Scripture can be understood only through the writings of Ellen White.
7. We do not believe that the writings of Ellen White exhaust the meaning of Scripture.”

So it appears we are faced with something of a contradiction. It's one thing to profess something, but if your actions deny your profession, what is the profession worth? In my experience, in every article, sermon and discussion on the trinity doctrine, when scriptural references are lacking, the weight of the argument is determined by quotations from Ellen White.

The above questions demand answers. And I am yet to find one Trinitarian who deals with this topic in a satisfactory way. The Adventist Pioneers had clear doctrinal exegesis for all of their beliefs, and yet when it comes to the trinity, a very recent addition to the Fundamentals, no one as yet has found one clear text in Scripture to prove this doctrine. By this I mean one text that shows that God is composed of three co-equal, co-eternal persons or beings that are composed of the same substance. Scholars around the world have acknowledged for years that the trinity doctrine is not found in Scripture but is a later addition. And yet people take sides, arguing theology from a few Ellen White statements, ignoring the Word of God, and the vast majority of her statements over the whole length of her lifetime that reveal she never became a Trinitarian and that the non-Trinitarian view was God given from the very beginning. The weight of evidence is overwhelming.

Ellen G. White

 

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What is the Work of the Holy Spirit?

The Bible talks about the work of the Holy Spirit. But how can you truly understand the work of the Holy Spirit if you do not know who the Holy Spirit is?

Below are several quotes from Ellen White that reveal many things the Holy Spirit does. Notice who the Holy Spirit is that she is referring to EVERY TIME. It is NOT a third god as the Trinity doctrine claims.

The Holy Spirit is the presence and power of the Father manifested through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son. This is not a separate person of the Godhead who is being sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son.

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The Holy Spirit Comforts us.

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT of CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (Ellen G. White, 14MR 179.2)

Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 27, 1903)

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The Holy Spirit teaches us and guides us into all truth.

We cannot be with Christ in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

The SPIRIT of TRUTH is the only effectual teacher of divine truth; those who are taught of Him have entered the school of CHRIST. How must God esteem the race, that He gave His Son to die for them, and appoints HIS SPIRIT to be man's teacher and continual guide.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, October 24, 1906)

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The Holy Spirit helped the disciples fulfill their official duties in connection with the Church and will do the same for us.

And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS Spirit upon them.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 805)

JESUS is waiting to breathe upon all his disciples, and give them the inspiration of HIS sanctifying SPIRIT, and transfuse the vital influence from HIMSELF to his people.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, October 3, 1892)

JESUS is seeking to impress upon them the thought that in giving HIS Holy SPIRIT He is giving to them the glory which the Father has given him, that He and his people may be one in God.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, October 3, 1892)

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The Holy Spirit helps you resist and overcome sin.

Ellen White called Christ by HIS Spirit the third person and is the ONLY one who can overcome sin in you. She did not mean a literal person of course or all the other quotes here would be lies.

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (Ellen G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

Who did she reveal to be the third? ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.”

And so Christ by HIS Spirit is the ONLY one that can helps us resist and overcome sin!

Sin could be resisted and overcome ONLY through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead,” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, 671.2)

There is no power in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” — (Ellen G. White, Our High Calling, 76.5)

With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904)

JESUS ALONE has power to SAVE FROM SIN, to free from the POWER OF EVIL; and to doubt him who has laid down his life for us, is to grieve and insult the Father,” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, February 10, 1891)

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The Holy Spirit represents Christ. And yes, that means His own Spirit represents Himself. It can function like a separate person and is one reason why Ellen White called the SPIRIT OF CHRIST the third person.

CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS representative in the world, to give celestial aid to every hungering, thirsting soul.” — (Ellen G. White, Lt84, October 22, 1895)

The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of CHRIST; it is HIS representative. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His Spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity.” — (Ellen G. White, 13MR 313.3, 1895)

CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to represent HIM in the world till he shall come again.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms1, January 11, 1897)

And so…

The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, 805.3)

Jesus imbues the believer with his spiritual life, which is the Holy Ghost.” — (Ellen G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 3, p. 242)

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The Holy Spirit ministers and energizes the Church.

While JESUS ministers in the sanctuary above, HE is still by HIS SPIRIT the minister of the church on earth. HE is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but HIS parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:20. While HE delegates HIS power to inferior ministers, HIS energizing presence is still with HIS church.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 166)

This is just a small example of what could be given but I am sure one gets the idea. We have to know who the Holy Spirit is in order that this work can be done. If we choose the idea of a third god, then we have chosen a creation of Satan rather than the Spirit of the Father and Son.

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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The Holy Spirit is the life of Christ

 

Why are so Many Confused with What a Spirit is?

A persons spirit is their mind, will and emotions. It is who you are.

So a spirit is not and never can be a literal person in itself. If it were, it would cease to be a spirit.

For instance, in order for a spirit to be another person, it would also have to have its own spirit.

In other words, for the Holy Spirit to be a person, it would have to have its own spirit in order to have its own mind, will and emotions. So you would end up with the Spirit of the Holy Spirit.

Along with this false theology introduced by Satan so he could achieve worship, man seems to have lost all touch with the reality of a what a spirit is.

However, while our spirit is within us, God's Spirit can do what ours can't. He can send His Spirit anywhere and is how He and His Son represent “Themselves” where “They” are not personally present.

In other words, the Holy Spirit is their presence and power in you.

Unless of course you have chosen Satan's creation called “god the spirit!” Then you have rejected the Spirit of the Father and Son and have Satan's creation instead!

This is what Satan planned when he created the Trinity doctrine long after the Bible was written.

Holy Spirit power of God inside you

 

The Personality of the Holy Spirit and Satan's lie

A persons spirit is their mind, will and emotions. It is who you are. So a spirit is not and never can be a literal person in itself. If it were, it would cease to be a spirit.

For instance, in order for a spirit to be another person, it would also have to have its own spirit. In other words, for the Holy Spirit to be a person, it would have to have its own spirit in order to have its own mind, will and emotions. So you would end up with the Spirit of the Holy Spirit.

Along with this false theology introduced by Satan so he could achieve worship, man seems to have lost all touch with the reality of a what a spirit is.

However, while our spirit is within us, God's Spirit can do what ours can't. He can send His Spirit anywhere and is how He and His Son represent “Themselves” where “They” are not personally present.

In other words, the Holy Spirit is their presence and power in you.

Unless of course you have chosen Satan's creation called “god the spirit!” Then you have rejected the Spirit of the Father and Son and have Satan's creation instead!

This is what Satan planned when he created the Trinity doctrine long after the Bible was written.

PERSONALITY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

We have a spirit and our spirit is our personality.
God has a Spirit and His Spirit is His personality.

When our spirit speaks or grieves, it is us that is speaking or grieving.
When God's Spirit speaks or grieves, it is God that is speaking or grieving.

It is the same whether it is our spirit or God's Spirit as Paul tells us. We should expect no less. But note Paul states man's spirit is within him while God can send His Spirit anywhere.

For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit WITHIN HIM? In the SAME WAY NO ONE knows the thoughts of God EXCEPT the Spirit of God.1 Corinthians 2:11

So when God gives us HIS Spirit, He gives us Himself. NOT ANOTHER PERSON!

These are words of CHRIST through HIS prophet!
In giving us HIS SPIRIT, God gives us HIMSELF,” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)

The Holy Spirit is His presence and power. The deceived who push the satanic doctrine of the Trinity claim those with truth teach that the Holy Spirit is a force or like an electric current. This is a disgraceful lie and is a dishonest means to try and discredit the truth which could only come from Satan as it is indeed a lie!

Again, here is the truth from the words of CHRIST through HIS prophet!

The DIVINE SPIRIT that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the PRESENCE and POWER of GOD.” — (E.G. White, ST, Nov 23, 1891)

So our spirit has a PERSONALITY which is our PERSONALITY but that does not make our spirit another person. Does it?

And God's Spirit has a PERSONALITY which is God's PERSONALITY as it is His Spirit.

And for even further evidence, below we see the “Holy Spirit” IS the “Spirit of the Father!”

Luke wrote, “take you no thought how or what thing you shall answer, or what you shall say: For THE HOLY GHOST shall teach you in the same hour what you ought to say.Luke 12:11-12

And below is the same account from Matthew and what he called the Holy Spirit.

take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak. For it is not you that speak, but THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER which speaketh in you.Matthew 10:19-20

Matthew called the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of your Father,” and so is not another being but God's Spirit, and why it is called the Spirit of God. It is not called “god the spirit.” His Spirit of course is Holy and why it is also called the Holy Spirit.

So why did Satan spread the idea of the Holy Spirit as another god? Who wants to be like the most High and be worshipped and prayed to as God? Isaiah 14:12-14 informs us that this is Satan's desire.

By Satan creating the Trinity doctrine, it creates a non-existent third being. Satan can then step into that position he has created and not only receives the worship he desires, but he would also effectively regain the position he lost as the third highest being in heaven. This is known as worship by representation and is what Satan has also done with Sunday worship.

Does it matter if we choose a non–existent god that is a creation of Satan to be the Holy Spirit so he can get worship and have us deny the real Holy Spirit? In other words, does it matter if we have the Spirit of the Father and Son or a creation of Satan and hence reject the real Holy Spirit?

The third person in the Trinity is actually Satan! It should be obvious that if you get this wrong you will not be in the kingdom!

So when the someone says the Holy Spirit has a personality so therefore it must be another person, know that you are being lied to and are trying to indoctrinate you into wrong thinking that will cost you your soul.

God is a Spirit and a personal being

 

If the Holy Spirit is another Being, why doesn't it have a Spirit?

All of the following may sound a little strange but it is actually valid. The Greek and Hebrew word for “Spirit” also means “mind” and is translated as such many times in the KJV Bible. This is because our Spirit is our mind.

Now note below that Paul in Romans 11:34 is quoting Isaiah 40:13. So we know that Paul understood the Spirit of the Lord to also mean the mind of the Lord. And of course the mind of someone is not a different person to them any more than their spirit is and this also includes God as Paul reveals below.

“Who has directed the SPIRIT of the LORD, or being his counsellor has taught him?” Isaiah 40:13 KJV

“For who has known the MIND of the LORD? Or who has been his counsellor?” Romans 11:34 KJV

So God and His Son and all living beings have a spirit which is what gives us all a unique personality with our own mind, will and emotions.

Therefore, for the “Spirit of God” to be a “literal being” as it is erroneously believed today, then the “Spirit of God” would also have to have its “own spirit” and one that is also distinct from the Father and Son.

And that being the case, we are then forced into the belief of the “Holy Spirit of the Holy Spirit.” How far could this go?

And if the Holy Spirit did not have a spirit of its own as per this belief, then it could not have a separate personality and hence its own mind, will and emotions anyway as Trinitarians claim!

Something that many do not stop and consider and yet this is completely valid.

 

Why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a Personal Name if it is another Being?

What would you think if I said, “I know that we have met before, but have you met my spirit? I would like to introduce you to my spirit who is sitting over there on that chair.

You would obviously think I had a twisted concept of what my spirit is. It is not some other person that is separate and distinct from me. My spirit is who I am and hence is my mind, will and emotions.

The Bible mentions several types of spirits. We find “evil spirit,” “dumb spirit,” “unclean spirit,” “foul spirit,” “humble spirit,” “excellent spirit,” “good spirit,” “broken spirit,” “wounded spirit,” “faithful spirit,” and “haughty spirit” etc. All these spirits are distinguishable by the adjective that describes them such as good, foul and humble etc.

We know that God the Father has a spirit (Matthew 10:20) and His Spirit of course could be nothing other than Holy. The word “Holy” is also an adjective be it in English or Greek. So “Holy Spirit” is not a name but a description of God's Spirit.

God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ have different names and titles in the Bible because they are personal beings.

If the Holy Spirit is a personal being co-equal with the Father and Son as the Trinity doctrine teaches, then why doesn't it have a personal name also?

The “Spirit” is not a name, it is what it is. “Holy” is just the adjective that describes God's Spirit, and other terms such as the “Spirit of God” is not a name either but what it is. It is the Spirit of God! It is also called the “Spirit of your Father” which once again is just what it is.

So if the Holy Spirit was truly a personal co-equal being then why no personal name?

 

Why do the Father and Son Never Speak to the Holy Spirit if it is a Co-Equal Being with a Personality?

Ask yourself these simple questions.

Why did the Father never speak to the Holy Spirit?
Why did Jesus never speak to the Holy Spirit?
Why did the Holy Spirit never speak to Jesus?
Why did the Holy Spirit never speak to the Father?

Yet the Father spoke to His Son over and over again all throughout the Bible, and Jesus spoke to His Father over and over again all throughout the Bible.

So how can the Holy Spirit be a literal CO-EQUAL third being when it never speaks to the Father and Son and they never speak it?

The answer is obvious if you have not been deceived. Because it is Their Spirit with their personality, not another being. It would be like you speaking to your spirit which would basically be you speaking to yourself!

 

How do the Father and Son Live in us?

How is Jesus with us unto the end of the world (Matthew 28:20)

By the Holy Spirit which is the mind, power and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends through His Son to us.

Or to put it another way to make sure this is clear; the Holy Spirit is the presence and power of the Father manifested through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son.

This is not a separate person of the Godhead who is being sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son.

Ellen White wrote it this way…

They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet ONE IN SPIRIT, and heart, and character.” — (E.G. White, YI, Dec 16, 1897)

The Father gave his Spirit without measure to his Son, and we also may partake of its fulness.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 5, 1908)

The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God,” — (E.G. White, RH, April 5, 1906)

And so she wrote:

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

CHRIST has left HIS HOLY SPIRIT to be HIS representative in the world,” — (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)

Finally, we know the Divine unity of the Father and the Son from the fact that both have the same Spirit. Paul, after saying that they that are in the flesh cannot please God, continues: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” Rom. 8:9. Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 23, 1890)

Holy Spirit Uriah Smith

 

Trinitarians Say the Comforter is Something Called “god the spirit” but SOP and the Bible Says this is a Lie

This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.” — (Ellen G. White, 14MR 179.2)

Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 27, 1903)

As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving JESUS THE COMFORTER.” — (Ellen G. White, 19MR 297.3)

Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter. “The Comforter,” said Christ to His disciples, “which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, [John 14:26 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms7-1902, January 26, 1902)

The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” — (Ellen G. White, 8MR 49.3)

Jesus said, “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.John 14:18

Jesus is the Comforter

 

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Who Is The Holy Spirit?

Due to a Jesuit bringing the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church by the abuse of a few select quotes from Ellen White which can be misunderstood on their own, many have been led to believe that the Holy Spirit is a literal person. This is want Satan desires so he can receive worship. But letting SOP explain SOP, you will find below that we have been lied to and that this is not so.

Below is the truth about the Holy Spirit that God gave to our pioneers, which is a pillar of our faith.

The terms “Holy Ghost”, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be “Holy Spirit” (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” — (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890)

Ellen White wrote it this way.

They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet ONE IN SPIRIT,” — (E.G. White, YI, Dec 16, 1897)

They are ONE in Spirit because God gave HIS Spirit to HIS Son.

The Father gave HIS Spirit without measure to his Son,” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 5, 1908)

In giving us HIS Spirit, God gives us HIMSELF,” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)

And so the Holy Spirit is the mind, power, character and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends through His Son to us.

Or to put it another way to make sure this is clear; the Holy Spirit is the presence and power of the Father manifested through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son. This is not a separate person of the Godhead who is being sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son.

And so the SPIRIT OF GOD comes to us through His only begotten Son.

The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God,” — (E.G. White, RH, April 5, 1906)

Thus the HOLY SPIRIT is also called the SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

Did you ever wonder how we can have the Father and Son live in us? Because the HOLY SPIRIT is the Spirit of the FATHER AND SON. So who do we have in us when we have the HOLY SPIRIT? The FATHER AND SON!

BY THE SPIRIT the Father and the Son will come and MAKE THEIR ABODE WITH YOU. [John 14:23 quoted]” — (E.G. White, BEcho, Jan 15, 1893)

This is the truth God gave His remnant Church. It is not another being which is a creation of Satan via the Catholic Church so he could achieve worship and steal souls!

And so the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

Thus Ellen White continually identifies the “Holy Spirit” as being the “Spirit of Christ” which is also His Fathers Spirit. And so it is by the “Spirit of Christ” that we have access to the Father.

For through HIM [CHRIST] we both have access by ONE SPIRIT unto the Father.Ephesians 2:18

As Jesus said, “No one comes to the Father except through Me.John 14:6

Below is an overwhelming amount of evidence that proves who Ellen White was calling the Holy Spirit.

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THE COMFORTER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — (E.G. White, RH, Jan 27, 1903)

As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving JESUS THE COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 19MR 297.3)

CHRIST is to be known by the blessed name of COMFORTER. “The Comforter,” said Christ to His disciples, “which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, [John 14:26 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms7-1902, Jan 26, 1902)

The SAVIOUR is our COMFORTER. This I have proved Him to be.” — (E.G. White, 8MR 49.3)

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THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way.” — (E.G. White, 2MR 337.1)

The SPIRIT of TRUTH is the only effectual teacher of divine truth; those who are taught of Him have entered the school of CHRIST. How must God esteem the race, that He gave His Son to die for them, and appoints HIS SPIRIT to be man's teacher and continual guide.” — (E.G. White, ST, Oct 24, 1906)

Christ was about to depart to His home in the heavenly courts. But He assured His disciples that He would send them another Comforter, who would abide with them forever. To the guidance of this Comforter all who believe in CHRIST may implicitly trust. HE is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, but this truth the world can neither discern nor receive.” — (E.G. White, 12MR 260.1)

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

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THE SPIRIT BREATHED ON THE DISCIPLES WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS SPIRIT upon them.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 805)

JESUS is waiting to BREATHE upon all his disciples, and give them the inspiration of HIS sanctifying SPIRIT, and transfuse the vital influence from HIMSELF to his people.” — (E.G. White, ST, Oct 3, 1892)

JESUS is seeking to impress upon them the thought that in giving HIS HOLY SPIRIT He is giving to them the glory which the Father has given him, that He and his people may be one in God.” — (E.G. White, ST, Oct 3, 1892)

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THE SPIRIT GIVEN AT PENTECOST WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained. The Holy Spirit was not yet fully manifested; for Christ had not yet been glorified. The more abundant impartation of the Spirit did not take place till after Christ's ascension. Not until this was received could the disciples fulfill the commission to preach the gospel to the world. But the Spirit was now given for a special purpose. Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS Spirit upon them.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 805)

Outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost—Christ ascended on high, to take His position as our Advocate in the heavenly courts. Having reached His throne, HE SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT, as He had promised, in response to the prayers of His disciples.” — (E.G. White, 10MR 98.1, 1899)

When the HOLY SPIRIT was poured out upon the early church, 'The whole multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul.' The SPIRIT of CHRIST made them one. This is the fruit of abiding in Christ.” — (E.G. White, GCDB, Feb 6, 1893)

The promise of the Holy Spirit is not limited to any age or to any race. CHRIST declared that the divine influence of HIS SPIRIT was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of PENTECOST to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” — (E.G. White, AA, 49.2)

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THE SPIRIT THAT REPRESENTS CHRIST IS HIS OWN SPIRIT:

CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to REPRESENT HIM in the world till he shall come again.” — (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)

CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS REPRESENTATIVE in the world, to give celestial aid to every hungering, thirsting soul.” — (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)

The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of CHRIST; it is HIS REPRESENTATIVE. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His Spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity.” — (E.G. White, 13MR 313.3, 1895)

Cumbered with humanity, CHRIST could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is [Christ] HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. HE would REPRESENT HIMSELF as present in all places by HIS Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.” — (E.G. White, Lt119, Feb 18, 1895)

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THE THIRD GREAT POWER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

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THE THIRD PERSON IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

Sin could be resisted and overcome ONLY through the mighty agency of the third person [Spirit Of Christ] of the Godhead,” — (E.G. White, DA, 671.2)

Who is the third person who is the “ONLY” one who can overcome sin in you?

There is NO POWER in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 19, 1904)

The prince of the POWER OF EVIL can ONLY be held in check by the power of God in the third person [Spirit Of Christ] of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.” — (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37, 1897)

JESUS ALONE has power to SAVE FROM SIN, to free from the POWER OF EVIL; and to doubt him who has laid down his life for us, is to grieve and insult the Father,” — (E.G. White, RH, Feb 10, 1891)

The ONLY defense AGAINST EVIL is the indwelling of CHRIST in the heart through faith in His righteousness.” — (E.G. White, DA, 324.1)

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.

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THE THIRD PERSON IN THE HEAVENLY TRIO IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

The Holy Spirit is the third person who is?

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.

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THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON AND IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

remember the words of CHRIST, remember that HE [CHRIST] is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit,” — (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

Lift up CHRIST in His power in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit. He is waiting for them to open the door and admit Him.” — (E.G. White, Lt59, March 29, 1899)

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WHO WALKS UNSEEN THROUGH OUR HOMES AND STREETS? THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

So we can add to this quote CHRIST BY HIS SPIRIT.

We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, [CHRIST BY HIS SPIRIT] who is as much a person as God is a person, is WALKING THROUGH THESE GROUNDS, UNSEEN BY HUMAN EYES; ... HE HEARS EVERY WORD WE UTTER and knows every thought of the mind.” — (E.G. White, 2SAT, pp. 136, 137, 1899)

QUESTION 1: Who was walking through those grounds, through our streets, and by our side and hears every word we utter?

CHRIST WALKS UNSEEN THROUGH OUR STREETS. With messages of mercy He comes to our homes.” — (E.G. White, MH, p. 107)

How few realize that JESUS, UNSEEN, IS WALKING BY THEIR SIDE! How ashamed many would be to hear His voice speaking to them, and to know that HE HEARD ALL THEIR FOOLISH, COMMON TALK!” — (E.G. White, 14MR 125.3)

Remember that JESUS IS BESIDE YOU WHEREVER YOU GO, noting your actions and LISTENING TO YOUR WORDS.” — (E.G. White, YI, Feb 4, 1897)

QUESTION 2: Who is the person of the Holy Spirit who is unseen by human eyes?

The human agent, the seen instrument, is to preach the Word, and the LORD JESUS, THE UNSEEN, AGENCY, BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT is to make the Word efficacious and powerful.—Letter 105, 1900.” — (E.G. White, 2SM 18.3)

He [CHRIST] is an UNSEEN PRESENCE in the PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,” — (E.G. White, DG, 185.2, 1897)

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The answer never changes. There are a few quotes from Ellen White that can be misunderstood on their own as you have just seen, which a Jesuit used to bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church. But letting SOP explain SOP, there is no mistaking she was referring to the SPIRIT OF CHRIST every time.

She said:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings in the Godhead.

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ

 

How Do You Spot a Deceived Trinitarian?

They are easy to spot as they ONLY post the SAME HANDFUL of cherry picked quotes that a JESUIT used to DELIBERATELY bring the Trinity doctrine into the Adventist Church. And so they are FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS of this Jesuit.

This man was Leroy Froom and he was a suspected JESUIT and also a FREEMASON.

Froom set out to search over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) for anything that could be mistaken as being Trinitarian and managed to find a SMALL handful of quotes that he rightly figured could be misunderstood. He then placed these quotes into his book Evangelism. Most think that the quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was compiled by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White.

Also, Ellen White did not write the Titles or Subtitles which are in Froom's book which were also intended to deceive.

Thus the deceived copy this FREEMASON's technique of posting the SAME handful of cherry picked quotes that he used to bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church, which of course was AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers. Why this same small handful of quotes? Because these are the only quotes that can be abused and misunderstood.

Anyone camping on these SAME HANDFUL of cherry picked quotes while ignoring the THOUSANDS of quotes have chosen willful blindness and can no longer see truth if it slapped them in the face. So they deny everything that reveals them to be in error. Sadly, such dishonest people will never be in the kingdom.

It is by the continued ABUSE of these few quotes that the Trinity doctrine still remains in the SDA Church today! Why? Because the majority fail to look at what else she wrote. What a tragedy that will lead so many to hell fire if something does not wake them up!

Here is the real truth about these quotes that the deceived following in the footsteps of a Jesuit and Freemason use, which is so easy if you let SOP explain SOP instead of ASSUMING!

Honest people will ALWAYS line up ALL SOP in the same way we need to line up ALL SCRIPTURE. The dishonest people will not do this. They will deny all that shows them in error and camp on these same cherry picked quotes a Jesuit used for his evil purposes of corrupting God's remnant Church.

Below Evangelism p. 615.1, 616.4, 616,6 617.1, 617.2, 617.3 that Froom used are all are covered.

Ellen White taught that the Father and Son are one in Spirit and that the SPIRIT OF GOD comes to us through His only begotten Son. Thus she called the HOLY SPIRIT the SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

And since Ellen White wrote, “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ,” she also wrote:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the heavenly dignitaries are the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings in the Godhead.

Below you will find one example proving each of the above statements.

“THIRD PERSON,” “THIRD GREAT POWER,” “HEAVENLY DIGNITARIES” and “HEAVENLY TRIO.”

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the SPIRIT OF CHRIST”

THIRD GREAT POWER:

CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

COMFORTER:

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

SPIRIT OF TRUTH:

JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way.” — (E.G. White, 2MR 337.1)

SPIRIT JESUS BREATHED ON HIS DISCIPLES:

And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS Spirit upon them.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 805)

SPIRIT GIVEN AT PENTECOST:

The promise of the Holy Spirit is not limited to any age or to any race. CHRIST declared that the divine influence of HIS SPIRIT was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of PENTECOST to the present time, the COMFORTER has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” — (E.G. White, AA, 49.2)

SPIRIT THAT REPRESENTS CHRIST:

CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to REPRESENT HIM in the world till he shall come again.” — (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)

TWO BEINGS ALONE:

The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” — (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898)

And since Ellen White wrote that the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, for any quote Froom used regarding the Holy Spirit that has been misunderstood, replace the words “HOLY SPIRIT” with “SPIRIT OF CHRIST” or “CHRIST BY HIS SPIRIT” and read it again. I quite assure you that it can no longer be mistaken as a Trinitarian quote!

Exposing LeRoy Froom the Jesuit

 

The Deception of LeRoy Froom and his Book Evangelism

It is claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian 20 years before her death. This erroneous claim is based on a handful of cherry picked quotes that LeRoy Froom set out to search for that he rightly figured would be misunderstood. He searched over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) and found a few quotes that on the surface appeared to fit the Trinitarian concept on the Holy Spirit. But only if you choose to read them as such and at the expense of the “tens of thousands” of non-Trinitarian statements she wrote.

Note that Froom was labelled as being the most dangerous man in the SDA Church and is now suspected of being a Jesuit. On the 14 December 1955, Leroy Froom in a letter to Reuben Figuhr wrote, “I was publicly denounced in the chapel at the Washington Missionary College by Dr. B. G. Wilkinson as the most dangerous man in this denomination.”

The deceived who try and convince us that Ellen White changed also have agree that God lied to her and His remnant for many decades. No one in their right mind would dare make such a claim! New light CANNOT contradict old light or the old light was a LIE from God. A change from non-Trinitarian to Trinitarian is a total backflip and can NEVER be called progressive truth.

Sadly, Froom eventually managed to convince the SDA Church with these misunderstood quotes that Ellen White had become a Trinitarian. But he had to wait until the death of Ellen White and all the pioneers as he could never have achieved this change while they were still alive.

The deception of Froom was so successful that many believe that the quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was compiled by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White. While this book contains the writings of Ellen White, the headings, subheadings and bolded texts before the quotes in this book are NOT her words, and some included the word “Trinity” which she never wrote and were added to aid the deception!

These quotes are typically called EV 615-EV 617 or Evangelism 615-617.

Ellen White actually taught that the “Holy Spirit” is the “Spirit of God” coming to us through His Son, and hence she frequently wrote the Holy Spirit is the “SPIRIT OF CHRIST.” For example, “We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (EGW, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

But many today are so indoctrinated with a Trinitarian mindset, that they mistakenly believe that the quotes Froom compiled and put in one place imply the Holy Spirit is a third being. But Ellen White was referring to the “SPIRIT OF CHRIST,” not a third being.

She was 100% consistent in all that she wrote. And since she wrote, “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ,” she also wrote:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the heavenly dignitaries are the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings in the Godhead.

There are literally thousands of quotes from Ellen White that confirm the above facts. But since size is an issue, just one quote will be provided that confirm all of the above. The first covers almost all of the above points.

For instance: “THIRD PERSON,” “THIRD GREAT POWER,” “HEAVENLY DIGNITARIES” and “HEAVENLY TRIO.” —<>— “They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (EGW, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the SPIRIT OF CHRIST”

THIRD GREAT POWER —<>— “CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (EGW, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

COMFORTER —<>— “This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (EGW, 14MR 179.2)

SPIRIT OF TRUTH —<>— “JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH;” — (EGW, 2MR 337.1)

SPIRIT JESUS BREATHED ON HIS DISCIPLES —<>— “And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS Spirit upon them.” — (EGW, DA, p. 805)

SPIRIT GIVEN AT PENTECOST —<>— “The promise of the Holy Spirit is not limited to any age or to any race. CHRIST declared that the divine influence of HIS SPIRIT was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of PENTECOST to the present time, the COMFORTER has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” — (EGW, AA, 49.2)

SPIRIT THAT REPRESENTS CHRIST —<>— “CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to REPRESENT HIM in the world till he shall come again.” — (EGW, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)

TWO BEINGS ALONE —<>— “The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” — (EGW, YI, July 7, 1898)

And since Ellen White wrote that the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. For any quote Froom used in regards to the Holy Spirit that has been misunderstood, replace the words “HOLY SPIRIT” with “SPIRIT OF CHRIST” or “CHRIST BY HIS SPIRIT” and read it again. I quite assure you that it can no longer be mistaken as a Trinitarian quote!

For example: “We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, [CHRIST BY HIS SPIRIT] who is as much a person as God is a person, is WALKING THROUGH THESE GROUNDS, UNSEEN BY HUMAN EYES;” — (EGW, 2SAT 136.6, [Evangelism p. 616.5], 1899)

And for further clarity on this quote, “How few realize that JESUS, UNSEEN, IS WALKING BY THEIR SIDE!” — (E.G. White, 14MR 125.3)

And, “He [CHRIST] is an UNSEEN PRESENCE in the PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,” — (EGW, DG, 185.2, 1897)

Who is UNSEEN? Christ! And why is Christ UNSEEN? Because it is by HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

The early pioneers had no problem with the few quotes that Froom searched for because they knew who the Holy Spirit is and would never read them the wrong way. But if your belief is that the Holy Spirit is another being, then that is what you will see when you read them.

Picking out statements from Ellen White's writings that would fit into a Trinitarian concept of God while ignoring her statements that do not fit the Trinitarian concept of God is a dishonest way to use her writings. To understand correctly what God has revealed through Ellen White, and find out what her beliefs were on this topic, it is necessary to quote all that she wrote on this subject. Not just be selective in what we quote to suit our own agenda. This would be tantamount to deception.

Leroy Froom Jesuit?

 

Is the Holy Spirit a Third Being or the Spirit of Christ?

The Trinity doctrine claims the Holy Spirit is a third being, while SOP teaches that the Holy Spirit is the mind, power and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends through His Son to us. Or to put it another way to make sure this is clear. The Holy Spirit is the presence and power of the Father manifested through Jesus Christ His only begotten son. And hence Ellen Whites states many times that the “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST,” — (E.G. White, 14MR, p. 84)

With this in mind, answer each of the following and you will have the correct answer to this question many times over.

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We know the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving JESUS THE COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 19MR 297.3)

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We know the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is the Holy Spirit. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way.” — (E.G. White, 2MR 337.1)

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

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We know the Holy Spirit is sent to REPRESENT Christ. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

CHRIST has left HIS HOLY SPIRIT to be HIS REPRESENTATIVE in the world,” — (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)

The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of CHRIST; it is HIS REPRESENTATIVE.” — (E.G. White, 13MR 313.3, 1895)

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We know the Holy Spirit was breathed on the disciples. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it was the Spirit of Christ?

He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS SPIRIT upon them.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 805)

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We know the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it was the Spirit of Christ?

CHRIST declared that the divine influence of HIS SPIRIT was to be with His followers unto the end. From the DAY OF PENTECOST to the present time, the COMFORTER has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” — (E.G. White, AA, 49.2)

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We know SOP calls the Holy Spirit a person. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

Remember the words of CHRIST, remember that HE [CHRIST] is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit,” — (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897)

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We know the Holy Spirit is the third person. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

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We know SOP says “SIN could be resisted and overcome ONLY through the mighty agency of the THIRD PERSON of the Godhead,” — (E.G. White, DOA, 671.2). So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

There is no power in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 19, 1904)

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We know SOP calls the Holy Spirit a POWER. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

There is NO POWER in you APART from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have CHRIST ABIDING IN YOUR HEART by faith, and He can overcome sin in you,” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

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We are told not to GRIEVE the Holy Spirit. So which lines up with SOP? A third being or the SOP which says it is the Spirit of Christ?

O, how we grieve the pure, Holy Spirit of CHRIST with our defiling sins!” — (E.G. White, RH, July 5, 1898)

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The trinity doctrine claims the Holy Spirit a third co-equal being. So which lines up with SOP? The Father and Son and a third being or the SOP which says it is ONLY the Father and Son?

The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” — (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898)

God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” — (E.G. White, ST, Jan 13, 1909)

“The ONLY Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with His earthly parent.” — (E.G. White, ST, October 14, 1897)

So Ellen White was 100% consistent in all that she wrote. She wrote, “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ,” — (14MR 84.3) and so she also wrote that:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the heavenly dignitaries are the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings in the Godhead.

So we find it is impossible for the Holy Spirit to be a third being. SOP identifies two beings ALONE and constantly reveals the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ in every way. Why the confusion? Because most have failed to notice that Ellen White called the Spirit of Christ a person and was not referring to a literal person.

We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ

 

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Who or What is the Holy Spirit?

Many think a spirit is a ghost in the form of some bodiless phantom that floats around. The American Heritage Dictionary says ghost means “The spirit of a dead person, especially one believed to appear in bodily likeness to living persons or to haunt former habitats.” But the Holy Spirit is certainly not a ghost as just described. Note that πνευμα αγιον (pneuma hagion) should have always been translated as “Holy Spirit” but sometimes is incorrectly translated it as “Holy Ghost.”

David wrote, “Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence?Psalm 139:7. Here David uses Hebrew parallelism to express himself. This expresses a thought one way, and then uses a complementary thought to express it another way. His first thought is, “Whither shall I go from thy spirit?” And the second which is equivalent to the first says, “whither shall I flee from thy presence?” So David is saying that God's Spirit is equivalent to God's presence. Thus the Holy Spirit is best described as being God's presence and power.

In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself,” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902).  “The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God.” — (E.G. White, ST, Nov 23)

The Trinity doctrine however claims that the Holy Spirit is another person because the Bible shows the Holy Spirit has mind, will and emotions. But this is unbiblical and faulty logic. The Holy Spirit has a personality because God has a personality. In giving us His Spirit God gives us Himself. And so His Spirit has “His” mind, will and emotions the same as man.

A persons spirit is their mind, will and emotions. It is who you are. So a spirit is not and never can be a literal person in itself. If it were, it would cease to be a spirit. For instance, in order for a spirit to be another person, it would also have to have its own spirit. In other words, for the Holy Spirit to be a person, it would have to have its own spirit in order to have its own mind, will and emotions. So you would end up with the Spirit of the Holy Spirit. Along with this false theology introduced by Satan so he could achieve worship, man seems to have lost all touch with the reality of a what a spirit is. However, while our spirit is within us, God's Spirit can do what ours can't. He can send His Spirit anywhere.

The book of Job says, “there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.Job 32:8. A spirit is the part of a person that can be grieved. Daniel explains, “I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,Daniel 7:15. A spirit is the part of a person that can perceive or understand things. In Mark's gospel we read, “And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason you these things in your hearts?Mark 2:8. A spirit is the part of a person that can be troubled. The king of Babylon had a dream and he told his wise men, “I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.Daniel 2:3. So we find that our spirit is our mind, will and emotions. This does not make our spirit another person.

What would you think if I said, “I know that we have met before, but have you met my spirit? I would like to introduce you to my spirit who is sitting over there on that chair.” You would obviously think I had a twisted concept of what my spirit is. It is not some other person that is separate and distinct from me. My spirit is who I am and hence is my mind, will and emotions.

The Bible mentions several types of spirits. We find “evil spirit,” “dumb spirit,” “unclean spirit,” “foul spirit,” “humble spirit,” “excellent spirit,” “good spirit,” “broken spirit,” “wounded spirit,” “faithful spirit,” and “haughty spirit” etc. All these spirits are distinguishable by the adjective that describes them such as good, foul and humble etc. We know that God the Father has a spirit (Matthew 10:20) and His Spirit of course could be nothing other than Holy. The word “Holy” is also an adjective be it in English or Greek. So “Holy Spirit” is not a name but a description of God's Spirit.

God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ have different names and titles in the Bible because they are personal beings. If the Holy Spirit is a personal being co-equal with the Father and Son as the trinity doctrine teaches, then why doesn't it have a personal name also? The “Spirit” is not a name, it is what it is. “Holy” is just the adjective that describes God's Spirit, and other terms such as the “Spirit of God” is not a name either but what it is. It is the Spirit of God! It is also called the “Spirit of your Father” which once again is just what it is. So if the Holy Spirit was truly a personal being then why no personal name?

Since your Spirit is your mind, will and emotions, the Greek and Hebrew word for “Spirit” also means “mind” as you would expect. Strong's dictionary says, breath, figuratively life, spirit, (including its expression and functions), mind.

Now note below that Paul in Romans 11:34 is quoting Isaiah 40:13. So we know that Paul understood the Spirit of the Lord to also mean the mind of the Lord. And of course the mind of someone is not a different person to them any more than their spirit is and this also includes God as Paul reveals below. So again we find that your spirit is your mind, will and emotions for not only people but God also. The Greek word “pneuma” and equivalent Hebrew word “rûach” are also interchangeably translated as “spirit” or “mind” in various translations and “rûach” is translated as “mind” in the KJV Bible six times.

Who has known the mind of the Lord? And who has been His counselor, to instruct Him?Isaiah 40:13 Septuagint

Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor has taught him?Isaiah 40:13 KJV
For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counsellor?Romans 11:34 KJV

So how can the mind of the Lord be another being? It cannot in fact.

It was not in fact until May 381 AD when a newly baptized emperor, with little or “no” knowledge of theology accepted the idea of three Cappadocians that the Spirit of God was a literal and separate being. Anyone who disagreed was labelled a foolish madman and heretic and dealt with accordingly! So this Catholic belief flowed on through the dark ages and straight into the Protestant Churches at the Protestant Reformation without being questioned as did the trinity doctrine. Hence it was just assumed to be correct and so one day they justified it by saying that secular dictionaries state a person has mind, will and emotions and various Scriptures show the Holy Spirit does also, and therefore it must be a literal being. But as we have already seen, this unbiblical logic would also mean my spirit within me is also a person, and separate from me.

Would you believe me if I said that a person's spirit is another literal being? After all, a person's spirit can be troubled, Daniel 2:3...my spirit was troubled...” And a person's spirit can be grieved, Daniel 7:15I Daniel was grieved in my spirit...” And a person's spirit can speak and pray, 1 Corinthians 14:14...my spirit prayeth...” And a person's spirit can rejoice, Luke 1:47my spirit has rejoiced...” And a person's spirit can be received by the Lord, Acts 7:59...Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” A person's spirit can also serve, Romans 1:9...I serve with my spirit...” And a person's spirit can also rest, 2 Corinthians 2:13I had no rest in my spirit...” So we find that a person's spirit has a mind, will and emotions. Therefore, a person's spirit must be another literal being. Right now you are probably thinking I have lost my mind, and yet this is exactly the same logic that is used to imply that the Holy Spirit is another literal being!

Some will respond, “But it is different with God's Spirit.” But not so. Not only does the Bible reveal it is not different but in fact says it is exactly the same with only one exception. Our Spirit is within us but God can send His Spirit anywhere. If the Bible does not say the Holy Spirit is a literal being, then let's not assume it to say something it does not say. So let's honour God and trust what His Word does say instead of assuming or believing our adversaries lies.

And as we have seen in Scripture, God and His Son and all living beings have a spirit which is what gives us all a unique personality with our own mind, will and emotions. So for the “Spirit of God” to be a “literal being” as it is erroneously believed today, then the “Spirit of God” would have to have its “own spirit” and one that is also distinct from the Father and Son. But then we are forced into the belief of the “spirit of the Spirit,” and if the Holy Spirit did not have a spirit of its own as per this belief, then it could not have a separate personality and hence its own mind, will and emotions anyway!

The spirit of every living being has a personality because our spirit is in fact our personality! So the Holy Spirit has a personality because God has a personality. In giving us His Spirit God gives us Himself. It is not another being and it is not some impersonal force. It is the presence and power of God Himself. It is God's own Spirit having God's own personality. If I could give you my spirit, whose personality would you have? Mine! So God's Spirit has God's personality. The same applies to the fact that the Spirit is divine because God is a divine being. Remember that God is a spirit and yet He is a personal being. “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.John 4:24

The Holy Spirit is not some force or another being but God Himself. “In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself, making Himself a fountain of divine influences, to give health and life to the world.” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)
God is a spirit; yet He is a personal being, for man was made in His image.” — (E.G. White, 8T 263.1, 1904)

Notice how Paul compares the spirit of man with the Spirit of God putting the final nail in the coffin of this lie. And of course your thoughts come from your mind and hence are the result of your mind, will and emotions.

For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.1 Corinthians 2:11

Here the spirit of man is likened to the Spirit of God. Just as a man has a spirit, God also has a Spirit in the same manner, and His Spirit is the part of Him associated with His thoughts and emotions the same as a man. Ephesians 4:30 says the Holy Spirit is “the holy Spirit of God” and to grieve not His Spirit. So just as the spirit of man can be grieved so can God's. If I told you that I was grieving in my spirit, would you think my spirit was a separate person? Obviously not. And Paul stated it is no different with God and His Spirit in this respect. God's Spirit belongs to God, just as my spirit belongs to me.

So as Paul said, the Spirit of God knows the thoughts of God because it is His Holy Spirit and hence has His mind, will and emotions just like man. And of course Paul also revealed in Romans 11:34 given above that the mind and spirit are correlated. He further shows this relationship in Ephesians 4:23 where he said “be renewed in the spirit of your mind.” This is Biblical exegesis but to say the Holy Spirit has mind, will and emotions so therefore must be a literal and separate being is an unbiblical assumption and eisegesis. Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:11 shows the difference is that man's spirit is within him but does not say this about God's Spirit as God can send His Spirit anywhere. There is also no Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God.

Who or what is the Holy Spirit

 

Did Jesus Raise Himself from the Dead?

Those who say Jesus must be God based on John 10:18 where they claim Christ raised Himself from the dead have failed to notice that Scripture at least 22 times states that His Father raised Him from the dead.

The Greek word “exousia” translated “power” in the KJV means “authority,” “jurisdiction,” liberty,” power,” “right,” and “strength” and should have been translated as “authority” as has the NIV and more than 20 other translations.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.John 10:18 KJV

No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.John 10:18 NIV

Correctly translated this verse takes on a whole new meaning with no apparent contradiction as all the following state it was God who raised His Son from the dead. Note that most verses are truncated.

Acts 2:24Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
Acts 2:32This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15And killed the Prince of life, whom God has raised from the dead;
Acts 4:10Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
Acts 5:30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 10:40Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;
Acts 13:30But God raised him from the dead:
Acts 13:33God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus again;
Acts 13:34And as concerning that He raised him up from the dead,
Acts 13:37But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Acts 17:31He has given assurance unto all men, in that He has raised him from the dead.
Romans 4:24if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Romans 6:4Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
Romans 10:9believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.
1 Corinthians 6:14And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us
1 Corinthians 15:15we have testified of God that He raised up Christ:
2 Corinthians 4:14He which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus,
Galatians 1:1by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Ephesians 1:20Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead,
Colossians 2:12through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead.
1 Thessalonians 1:10And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead,
1 Peter 1:21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead,

Some Trinitarians claim Jesus raised Himself from the dead based on John 2:19 which reads, “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” But an exhaustive search reveals the list of verses above where the resurrection of Jesus is ascribed to someone other than himself.

Any exegesis of John 2:19 must be consistent with the verses above, and already we see problems with the Trinitarian argument. Because not only do all of these verses credit God with the resurrection of Jesus, but several of them explicitly state that he was raised by His Father. None of them claim that Jesus was responsible for his own resurrection, nor do any of them claim that Jesus himself is God.

Consequently, the Trinitarian argument rests entirely upon one single verse!

This brings us back to the words of Jesus in John 2:19. If he did not mean that he would literally raise himself from the dead, why did he say this and what did he mean by it?

Jesus was employing what we call the “idiom of permission,” which is a rhetorical device which ascribes the actions of one individual to another.

So the Trinitarian cannot say this is nonsense, I will give an example using two passages also from the book of John where the “idiom of permission” is employed. Note the following two verses.

John 3:22 “After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.”

John 4:1-3When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

John ascribes the baptisms to Jesus but then appears to contradict himself by ascribing them to Jesus’ disciples. The “idiom of permission” resolves this apparent contradiction, as we see from the following Bible Commentaries.

Notice that each commentator refers to John 4:2 as a control text for John 3:22. This reaffirms the importance of interpreting a single verse by reference to others.

A. T. Robertson's commentary:
Baptized (ebaptizen). Imperfect active of baptizō. 'He was baptizing.' The six disciples were with him and in John 4:2 John explains that Jesus did the baptizing through the disciples.

Albert Barnes' commentary:
And baptized – Jesus did not Himself administer the ordinance of baptism, but his disciples did it by his direction and authority, John 4:2.

Adam Clarke's commentary:
And baptized – It is not clear that Christ did baptize any with water, but his disciples did – John 4:2; and what they did, by his authority and command, is attributed to himself.

James Burton Coffman’s commentary:
Nothing may be made of the fact that Jesus did not baptize, but his disciples baptized. See under John 4:2. What one does through his agents he is lawfully said to do; therefore Jesus baptized. Why did he refrain from doing so personally? It might have given rise to jealousies and strife, later on, through some claiming greater privilege in having been baptized personally by the Lord. Perhaps, as noted above, it was to avoid any mistaken notion that Jesus was one of John's subordinates.

B. W. Johnson’s commentary:
Tarried . . . and baptized. The first intimation that Jesus administered the baptismal rite. He did it through his disciples (John 4:2).

This is the same principle that we see in John 2:19, where the Son “claims” the act of resurrection Himself even though the rest of the NT tells us that his Father raised Him.

Jesus could legitimately make this claim because he had the exousia (privilege) to receive his life again. In fact this was one of the many necessary privileges he received from the Father, for as he freely admitted in John 5:30I can of mine own self do nothing.

Jesus raised from the dead

 

“I AM or I existed?” Why do so Many Get This Wrong?

The phrase “I am” in John 8:58 comes from two Greek words “egō” and “eimi.”

The Strong's Definitions are:
egō :I” (only expressed when emphatic): - I, me.
eimi: I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, have been, X it is I, was.

How would you expect Jesus to respond to this comment?

Then said the Jews unto him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?John 8:57

Not knowing Jesus existed before Abraham, the Pharisees are saying how could you have seen Abraham because you are not yet 50 years old. Since the Greek words for “I am” also mean I exist or existed, what is the obvious translation and response from Christ who existed before Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.John 8:58
Or
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I existed.” John 8:58

Both are valid translations and the majority of Bible translations agree with the last one in fact with good reason!

*** Here Are Many Translations That Had No Trouble Getting This Right! ***

The Living Bible:
The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!

The New Testament in the Language of Today, 1964 ed., William F. Beck:
I was in existence before Abraham was ever born

New Believers Bible, New Living Translation, (1996):
Jesus answered, “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!

The Concise Gospel and The Acts, C.J. Christianson, (1973):
I existed even before Abraham was born.

New Simplified Bible:
Jesus said, I tell you the truth, I existed before Abraham was born.

An American Translation, Smith and Goodspeed, (1939):
Jesus said to them, “I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born!

The New Testament in the Language of the People, Charles B. Williams, (1937):
Then Jesus said to them, “I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born.

Cotton Patch Version, (1970):
To this Jesus replied, I existed before Abraham was born.

New Testament, Noli, M.F.S., (1961):
Jesus answered them: Well, well, I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born.

The Original New Testament, H.J. Schonfield, (1956):
I tell you for a positive fact, I existed before Abraham was born.

The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, George Swann, (1947):
Jesus said to them, verily, verily I say unto you, I existed before Abraham was born.

The Clarified New Testament, P.G. Parker:
Jesus answered, before Abraham existed, I existed.

A Translators Handbook to the Gospel of John, Nida:
Before Abraham existed, I existed, or I have existed.

The Documents of the New Testament, G.W. Wade, (1934):
Jesus said to them, in very truth I tell you, before Abraham came into being, I have existed.

The Complete Gospels Annotated Scholars Version, Miller, (1992):
I existed before there was an Abraham.

The Bible, A New Translation, Dr. James Moffatt, (1935):
Truly, truly I tell you,” said Jesus, “I have existed before Abraham was born.

The New Testament Or Rather the New Covenant, Sharpe, (1881):
I was before Abraham was born.

The Worldwide English New Testament Bible:
Jesus answered, I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.

Good News for the World, (1969):
Jesus answered, I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.

International English Version, (2001):
I was alive before Abraham was born.

International Bible Translators, (1981):
Jesus said to them, I am telling the truth: I was alive before Abraham was born!

The Simple English Bible, (1978):
Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth: I was alive before Abraham was born.”

The Four Gospels and Revelation, Richmond Lattimore, (1979):
Truly, truly I tell you, I am from before Abraham was born.

New Covenant, J.W. Hanson, (1884):
Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, I am before Abraham was born.

A Literal Translation from the Syriac Peshito Version, James Murdock, D.D., from 5th century manuscripts, (1896):
Jesus said to them: Verily, verily I say to you, That before Abraham existed, I was.

Twentieth Century New Testament:
In truth I tell you,” replied Jesus, “before Abraham existed I was.

The New Testament According To The Eastern Text, George Lamsa Translation, (1940):
Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.

The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels, Burkitt, from 5th century manuscripts, (1904):
Before Abraham came to be, I was.

The Old Georgian Version of the Gospel of John, P. Blake, M. Briere, in Patrologia Orientallis, Vol. XXVI, faxcicle 4, Paris, from 5th century manuscripts, (1950):
Before Abraham came to be, I was.

Ethiopic-Edition: Nouvum Testamentum Æthiopice, T.P. Platt, revised by F. Praetorius, Lepzig, (1899:
Before Abraham was born, I was

The New Testament, Curt Stage, (1907):
Before Abraham came to be, I was.

The New Testament, Kleist & Lilly, (1956):
I tell you the plain truth. replied Jesus, I am here - and I was before Abraham.

New American Standard Bible, 1963 and 1971 editions alternative rendering:
I have been

The New Testament, George Rh. Noyes, D.D., “Professor Of Hebrew and Other Oriental Languages and Dexter Lecturer on Biblical Literature in Harvard University”, (1869):
Jesus said, truly I tell you, from before Abraham was, I have been.

“The Four Gospels” According to the Sinaitic Palimpsest, Agnes Smith Lewis, from a 4th-5th century manuscript, (1886):
He said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I have been.

The New Testament in Hebrew, Franz Delitzsch, 1937 edition:
Before Abraham was, I have been.

The Unvarnished New Testament, Andy Gaus:
Truly, truly I tell you, Before Abraham was born, I have already been.

The New Testament: a New Translation and Explanation Based on the Oldest Manuscripts, Johannes Greber, (1937):
I am speaking the truth, Jesus answered, I am older than Abraham.

The New Testament (in German), Friedreich Pfaefflin, (1949):
Jesus: Before there was an Abraham, I was already there.

The New Testament in Hebrew, Isaac Salkinson and David Ginsberg, 1941 edition:
I have been when there had as yet been no Abraham.

Translation of New Testament, Wakefield, G., (1795):
Jesus said unto them: Verily verily I say unto you, before Abraham was born, I am He.

Ledyard, G.H. New Life Testament, (1969):
Jesus said to them, for sure I tell you, before Abraham was born, I was and sum and always will be.

The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, George William Horner, (1911):
Before Abraham became, I, I, am being.

The New Testament, James A. Klist, S.J., and Joseph L. Lilly, C.M., (1954):
I am here - and I was before Abraham.

John 8:58 I am or I existed?

 

Does Isaiah 43:11 or Hosea 13:4 Prove Jesus is God?

I know this reasoning is really bad and should not require an explanation, but Doug Batchelor used it in his very bad sermon on attempting to explain the Trinity where he lied about the belief of those with truth. So for the sake of those exposed to his sermon, here is the truth on this point.

Since these two verses say that there is no saviour but God and verses like 1 John 4:14 say that Jesus is our Saviour, then the argument is that Jesus must be the one God. But this argument does not hold water and is clutching at straws.

Isaiah 43:11I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13:4But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

The Hebrew word translated “saviour” in these verses is most commonly translated as “save,” “saved” and is also translated as “deliverer” and “delivered.” In Moses' day God saved His people from the power of Egypt, and in Isaiah's day He saved them from the power of Assyria. There was no one else who could save and deliverer them from these powers and so they had no other saviour but God as the context clearly reveals.

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible explains Isaiah 43, “This chapter ... refers mainly to the promised deliverance from Babylon. The people of God are still contemplated by the prophet as suffering the evils of their long and painful captivity, and his object is to comfort them with the assurances of deliverance.

And of course Hosea 13:4 refers to when God “saved” and “delivered” His people from the Egyptians.

So Jesus is our Saviour of course. But the context of God being the saviour of His people in these verses is about saving them from captivity from Babylon and Egypt. Not saving them from their sin as Christ has done for us.

 

Was Jesus the Son of God before His Incarnation?

Trinitarians often claim that Jesus is only called the Son of God because of His birth in Bethlehem. But being born in human flesh, Christ became the “Son of man” at His incarnation, not the “Son of God” which He already was. Scripture reveals many times and in many ways that Jesus was God's Son “before” God sent Him into the world, not after. The following two verses for instance say that God sent His Son into the world. Hence He was already God's Son before He sent Him.

because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.1 John 4:9

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.John 3:17

And God's Son was in the fiery furnace with the faithful three over 500 years before His incarnation. “Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.Daniel 3:25

Scripture also informs us that Jesus was the Son of God before all things were created. Paul wrote in regards to Christ that, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Colossians 1:15 NKJV. Note that the latter part of this verse is poorly translated in the KJV which says, “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.Colossians 1:15 KJV. As a result there are some who use the King James Bible to imply that Christ Himself was a created being. But such an interpretation is contradicted elsewhere in Scripture such as John 1:1-4 and Colossians 1:16-17

Thus we see that Paul is telling us that Christ was “Begotten First or Born Before all creation” because all of creation was by God through His Son Jesus Christ. “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.Ephesians 3:9

Ellen White confirms also needless to say.

The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 51)

God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, liable to physical infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. He was the Son of the living God. His personality did not begin with His incarnation in the flesh.” — (E.G. White, Lt77, Aug 3, 1894)

Thayer's Greek Lexicon says, “Christ is called, firstborn of all creation, who came into being through God prior to the entire universe of created things.” Barnes New Testament Notes on Colossians 1:15 says, “the word firstborn - pro-tot-ok'-os - properly means the firstborn child of a father or mother.” Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary says, “Begotten (literally, 'born') before every creature.” Matthew Henry's Commentary states “He was born or begotten before all the creation, before any creature was made;

Scripture refers to Jesus Christ as “the image of God,” “the image of the invisible God,” and “the express image of his person.” (2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3). An image is never the original but always a likeness or duplication of the original. Christ is the Son of God and therefore the express image of His Father. It would be incorrect to say that the Father is the image of His Son because the Father is the original. In the same manner it would be incorrect to refer to Christ as the true or original God since He is the image of the true God.

The Bible refers to Christ as God's Son at least 120 times. Forty seven times using the phrase “Son of God.” Regarding the genuineness of Christ's Sonship, He is called the “only begotten” six times, “the firstborn” three times, “the firstbegotten” once and God's “holy child” twice. Four verses say He was “begotten” prior to His incarnation so this cannot be applied to His birth on earth from Mary as some have chosen to believe. Four verses say that He “proceeded forth from,” “came out from” or “camest forth from” the Father. The evidence on this subject is overwhelming. Christ truly is the literal begotten Son of God who was brought forth from the Father before all creation. The example verses below with the help of the Thayer dictionary also reveal that Jesus was born of the Father before the world was, then much later, He came into the world.

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon
G1831 - To come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of.
G2064 - To come from one place to another.

John 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth [G1831] and came from God; neither came [G2064] I of myself, but he sent me.

John 16:27-28For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out [G1831] from God. 28 I came forth [G1831] from the Father, and am come [G2064] into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 17:7-8Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. 8 For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out [G1831] from you, and they have believed that you did send me.

Daniel 3 Son of God

 

Does the Greek Word “monogenes” for Begotten Mean Jesus was Born of God?

Since the Trinity doctrine teaches three co-eternal beings, then the Bible stating Jesus is the Son of God presents another serious problem for Trinitarians as it contradicts Scripture. If Jesus is born of God as the Bible states more than a hundred times, then Jesus cannot be co-eternal with the Father and so this is yet another problem that Trinitarians have to explain away. This is typically done by a play on words from the Thayer Dictionary definition of the Greek word for “begotten” which is “monogenēs.” It is claimed that “monogenēs” means Christ was one of a kind rather than the intended meaning of the only begotten Son of God. Strong's dictionary says, only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child). So it more accurately means only child. Whenever this Greek word is used of persons, it is exclusively used of parent-child relationships.

Here is every single use of “monogenēs” found in the entire Bible. “only begotten son” 4 times referring to Jesus and 1 time referring to Abraham's only son Isaac, “only begotten of the Father” 1 time, “only son of his mother” 1 time, “only daughter” 1 time and “only child” 1 time.

So there is not one single Scripture in the Bible that uses this Greek word that does not refer to an only son, daughter or child that was not begotten.

And since the word “son” is prefixed by the word “begotten” more than once when referring to Christ, then it can only mean Jesus is born of God and explains why He is called the Son of God to state the obvious. We also have Paul's testimony in Colossians 1:15 which says Christ was the first born before anything was created. And the Greek word “prōtotokos” used in this verse cannot be abused as it means, first born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively): - firstbegotten (-born). There are also other Scriptures that show Jesus was born of God as you are about to see, not that there should be any doubt.

Christ is “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature; for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him; and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.” The first chapter of Colossians will wonderfully enlighten the mind as to the truth as it is in Jesus.” — (E.G. White, ST, Nov. 15, 1899)

Thus we see that Paul is telling us that Christ was “Begotten First or Born Before all creation” because all of creation was by God through His Son Jesus Christ. “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.Ephesians 3:9

The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 51)

God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, liable to physical infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. He was the Son of the living God. His personality did not begin with His incarnation in the flesh.” — (E.G. White, Lt77, Aug 3, 1894)

Thayer's Greek Lexicon says, “Christ is called, firstborn of all creation, who came into being through God prior to the entire universe of created things.” Barnes New Testament Notes on Colossians 1:15 says, “the word firstborn - pro-tot-ok'-os - properly means the firstborn child of a father or mother.” Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary says, “Begotten (literally, 'born') before every creature.” Matthew Henry's Commentary states “He was born or begotten before all the creation, before any creature was made;

Scripture refers to Jesus Christ as “the image of God,” “the image of the invisible God,” and “the express image of his person.” (2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3). An image is never the original but always a likeness or duplication of the original. Christ is the Son of God and therefore the express image of His Father. It would be incorrect to say that the Father is the image of His Son because the Father is the original. In the same manner it would be incorrect to refer to Christ as the true or original God since He is the image of the true God.

The Bible refers to Christ as God's Son at least 120 times. Forty seven times using the phrase “Son of God.” Regarding the genuineness of Christ's Sonship, He is called the “only begotten” six times, “the firstborn” three times, “the firstbegotten” once and God's “holy child” twice. Four verses say He was “begotten” prior to His incarnation so this cannot be applied to His birth on earth from Mary as some have chosen to believe. Four verses say that He “proceeded forth from,” “came out from” or “camest forth from” the Father. The evidence on this subject is overwhelming. Christ truly is the literal begotten Son of God who was brought forth from the Father before all creation. The example verses below with the help of the Thayer dictionary also reveal that Jesus was born of the Father before the world was, then much later, He came into the world.

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon
G1831 - To come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of.
G2064 - To come from one place to another.

John 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth [G1831] and came from God; neither came [G2064] I of myself, but he sent me.

John 16:27-28For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out [G1831] from God. 28 I came forth [G1831] from the Father, and am come [G2064] into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 17:7-8Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. 8 For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out [G1831] from you, and they have believed that you did send me.

Jesus is the literal Son of God

 

When and How was Jesus Born from the Father?

Proverbs 8:23-26 says, “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

So Christ was brought forth from the Father before the earth was created in the days of eternity. And of course, if Christ was brought forth than this also confirms His personality has an origin. Note that the Hebrew word “Olam” used for everlasting in verse 23 in the KJV has several possible meanings and has been translated in many different ways according to context and what the translators believed to be correct. It can mean “the vanishing point”, “time out of mind - past or future”, “ancient time” and “beginning of the world” to name a few. Here are some other translations that demonstrate this point.

Proverbs 8:23 CJB “I was appointed before the world, before the start, before the earth's beginnings.”
Proverbs 8:23 HCSB “I was formed before ancient times, from the beginning, before the earth began.”
Proverbs 8:23 NLT “I was appointed in ages past, at the very first, before the earth began.”
Proverbs 8:23 NLV “I was set apart long ago, from the beginning, before the earth was.”
Proverbs 8:23 RSV “Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth.”

Who does “wisdom” refer to in Proverbs 8 since some say this does not refer to Christ?

1 Corinthians 1:24, 30But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 30 But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.

Wisdom in the following verse also refers to Christ.

Luke 11:49Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles,

Through Solomon Christ declared: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth.” — (E.G. White, ST, Aug 29, 1900)

Some also have the wrong concept of the word beginning in Scripture. God of course has no beginning and the word beginning means the “origin” and source of something. One example from the Oxford dictionary for “beginning” is, “The background or origins of a person or organization.” If Christ was co-eternal with the Father, then like His Father, He would have no beginning. The Septuagint that Jesus quoted from says, “He established me in the beginning, before time was, before He made the earth.” So all Bible translations of Proverbs 8:23 in fact actually say Christ has an origin!

Solomon has used Hebrew parallelism in verse 23 which expresses a thought one way, and then uses a complementary thought to express it another way. So the last two phrases of this verse are saying the same thing as the first phrase but in a different way. This gives tremendous clarity on when he is referring to and yet most still get it wrong. Bible writers did not understand science as we do and measured time by the spheres in the sky that did not exist until Christ created everything. So Christ was established in the beginning (Genesis 1:1) before He made the earth, which was before time was since there was nothing to measure time by yet.

Thus we know that the beginning was when the earth was made where there was nothing in existence to measure time by and hence was before time was. And so the phrases “from eternity”, “from everlasting”, “before time was”, “the days of eternity”, “from the beginning” and “before the earth was” all mean the same thing. Quite simply, before the earth and all things were created. Micah 5:2 also informs us that Christ has an origin and was brought forth a long time ago. It also uses the Hebrew word “Olam” as Proverbs 8:23 and has the same translation issue. The phrase “goings forth” in the KJV implies an origin of course and why the NIV used the word “origins.”

Micah 5:2 KJVBut you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 NIVBut you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.

Some have mistaken the words “Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever:” in Hebrews 1:8 to mean His throne has always existed but it uses the same Greek words as Revelation 22:5 in regards to for ever and ever and both refer to forward in time unless of course we have always existed. The NIV is clearer as it says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever.

And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He [Christ] has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” — (E.G. White, 7BC 919.5)

There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning.” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 21, 1890)

Thus Ellen White and Waggoner say that Christ was brought forth from God a very long time ago. Christ was the Son of God before He was sent to Earth and was tore from the bosom of His Father.

The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind.” — (E.G. White, RH, July 9, 1895)

Note that the nature of God and His only begotten Son is actually illustrated on a small scale with Adam and Eve.

Adam had enjoyed the companionship of God and of holy angels. ... Love, gratitude, loyalty to the Creator—all were overborne by love to Eve. She was a part of himself,” — (E.G. White, PP, 56.2)

In exactly the same way Eve was part of Adam, Christ is part of God.

God's love for the world was not manifest because He sent His Son, but because He loved the world He sent His Son into the world that divinity clothed with humanity might touch humanity, while divinity lay hold of infinity. Though sin had produced a gulf between man and his God, divine benevolence provided a plan to bridge that gulf. And what material did He use? A part of Himself. The brightness of the Father's glory came to a world all seared and marred with the curse, and in His own divine character, in His own divine body, bridged the gulf and opened a channel of communication between God and man.” — (E.G. White, Lt36a, Sept 18, 1890)

So we find that Christ was tore from the bosom of His Father and hence was part of Himself, which is something a Trinitarian can never say. The Son of God was brought forth from the Father and hence is the same substance of His Father. This means that everything Christ consists of has always existed as it came from the Father. But the person of Christ had a beginning even though what Christ consists of does not. Thus it would not necessarily be incorrect to say that Christ has always existed before he was born from the perspective that He existed in the bosom of His Father.

Proverbs 8

 

Is Jesus a real Son and God a real Father?

The trinity doctrine teaches 3 gods that are co-equal and co-eternal which are a 3 in 1 god. Does anyone stop to think and realize this means God cannot really be a Father and Jesus cannot really be His Son.

If Jesus has always existed alongside the Father then He cannot be a Son, and if Jesus is not a Son, then God cannot be a Father. So it denies the Son of God which therefore denies the Father also. This denial of the Father and Son is what John called antichrist. 1 John 2:22-23. So those who teach the doctrine of the trinity make God and His Son and His Word one big lie.

How many times does the Bible have to state that God is the Father of Christ and that Christ is the Son of God before one will believe it? Is there any other doctrine that discards so much Scripture? Hundreds of Scriptures suddenly become obsolete. Why would anyone in their right mind think this is acceptable?

Trinitarians often claim that Jesus is only called the Son of God because of His birth in Bethlehem. But being born in human flesh, Christ became the “Son of man” at His incarnation, not the “Son of God” which He already was. Scripture reveals many times and in many ways that Jesus was God's Son “before” God sent Him into the world, not after. The following two verses for instance say that God sent His Son into the world. Hence He was already God's Son before He sent Him.

because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.1 John 4:9

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.John 3:17

Scripture also states that Jesus was the Son of God before all things were created. Paul wrote in regards to Christ that, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Colossians 1:15 NKJV

Over and over and over and over again we are told they are a Father and Son. And yet the Trinitarian camps on a few verses that can be abused and misunderstood in favour of discarding hundreds of unmistakable verses.

They have no trouble in destroying this beautiful Father and Son relationship in favour of a Satanic doctrine just as Satan planned. It is his counterfeit doctrine that he had put in place by the Catholic Church more than 200 years AFTER the Bible was written. It is Satan's creation to have Christians deny that Jesus is a literal Son and hence that God is a literal Father to steal our souls. The Bible says if you deny Jesus is the literal Son of God that you cannot enter the kingdom.

In the Bible we find that Christ is called the “Son of God” 48 times, “only begotten” 6 times, “firstborn” 4 times and “the firstbegotten” 1 time. Not once does the Bible even so much as hint that Jesus is only a Son in a metaphorical sense. The Bible means what it says and says what it means as does Ellen White.

And she stated, “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God.” — (E.G. White, 8T 268.3)

The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty,” — (E.G. White, Ms140, Sept 27, 1903)

John 5:26 also tells us that the Father gave life to His Son.

For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.John 5:26

If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible.

Is it really that hard to understand Satan's goal here where this pagan 3 in 1 god idea means God is NOT really a Father, and Jesus is NOT really a Son, and the “Spirit OF God” is not really His Spirit at all but something called “god the spirit?”

This is what the human mind cannot understand and they say it is a mystery and we must just accept it and not question it. We should all know what spirit tells us that lie.

And compared to what?

There is no mystery with the real truth that Scripture tells us over and over again.

God the Father really is a Father, and the Son of God really is the Son of God, and the Spirit of God really is the Spirit of God.

So simple and exactly what God's Word keeps telling us.

I pray that your eyes can see and that you come to the understanding of what Satan has done in trying to obscure the truth that Jesus really is God's Son. SOP tells us that Satan hates God's Son and wants us to deny that Jesus really is the literal Son of God. If we do that, Scripture says we have no access to the Father.

Thus there is a lot more to this then meets the eye that most do not stop to think about.

Those who have studied this and found the truth are desperately reaching out to try and save souls. No one should object to that and it is a very sad day when people do.

 

Was Jesus Always Immortal?

The Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus Christ is co-equal with His Father in every way. Thus it is claimed that since the Father cannot die, then His Son cannot die either. But the Bible says there is only One person who cannot die and He is God the Father.

The Bible says when Jesus appears that He will show, “who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.1 Timothy 6:15-16. This can only be our Heavenly Father for He is the One whom “No man hath seen... at any time.John 1:18. The Father is the one “who alone has immortality.” Yet we know that one day we will “put on immortality.1 Corinthians 15:53

So when the Bible says the Father “alone has immortality” it must mean immortality in an absolute and unlimited sense. The Bible reveals that the Father is the only One who cannot die under any circumstances. Jesus was made subject to death and “died for our sins.1 Corinthians 15:3. Man can die, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20. Angels can die, “everlasting fire,” is “prepared for the devil and his angels.Matthew 25:41. God said to Satan, “I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee... and never shalt thou be any more.Ezekiel 28:18-19

So it is true that the Father is the only person who cannot die under any circumstances, which excludes His Son who tasted “death for every manHebrews 2:9. So Christ was not immortal when He was here and the primary reason for Him becoming a human was so that He could die for our sins. The Son of God suffered a real death for our sins. (Isaiah 53:6 and 1 John 2:2).

Others claim that Christ came down from heaven and inhabited a human body and only the human body died while the divine being from heaven remained alive. By this we would have to conclude that there was only a human sacrifice made for our redemption. It is unbiblical to say that a human sacrifice is sufficient to redeem mankind or that only half of Christ died. If Christ only pretended to die it takes away the necessity of Him becoming a man and He could have done that without becoming one.

The author of Hebrews says He “was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death.Hebrews 2:9. Christ Himself made it clear to John that He was dead. Jesus said, “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.Revelation 1:18. Jesus Christ really “died for our sins according to the Scriptures.1 Corinthians 15:3

He humbled himself, and took mortality upon him. As a member of the human family, he was mortal.” — (E.G. White, RH, Sept 4, 1900)

 

Was Jesus Omniscient and Omnipotent On Earth?

We find in John 21:17 Peter saying to Christ, “you know all things.” So how are we to understand Jesus saying, “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Mark 13:32. Compare with Matthew 24:36. So here we have a problem because Jesus is confessing to not knowing something. And Scripture also says, “Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.Luke 2:52. How do you increase in wisdom when you know all things? And “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.Hebrews 5:8. Was Jesus limited by the human body prepared for Him and had to learn things just as we do? So what did Peter mean? Was He right? Because Jesus did not contradict Him. Or is there some way that Jesus could effectively know anything He needed?

We find the answer in many Scriptures such as John 14:26the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things,” Does this mean we could literally know all things? Can the human mind even contain all the infinite knowledge of God? The point to be made here is there is nothing that the Spirit of God could not teach or reveal to us or His Son. The Father knows all things and so Christ could know whatever was required through the power of the Holy Spirit whether it be the thoughts of others or any knowledge that is required according to the will of God.

And it does not stop with the omniscience of the Spirit of God but also His power. In Matthew 12:22-32 we find Jesus casting out a demon. The Pharisees claimed He did it by the power of the devil. But Jesus being fully man said He did it by the Spirit of God. He then informs them that they can speak against the Son of man and be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Why? Because verse 28 says He did this by the power of the Holy Spirit. Remember that Jesus was the Word made flesh and was fully man. The Pharisees were not insulting the Son of man but the Spirit of God by whose power the demon was cast out and hence were blaspheming the Holy Spirit by attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. In any case, Jesus would not be casting out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit unless He had given up His omnipotence for a time now would He? Jesus said “I can of mine own self do nothing.John 5:30

Note that Matthew 12:22-32 reveals that the unpardonable sin and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. Some Trinitarians who do not understand this conclude that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit could be sharing truth on this topic which is clearly not so. But what about Trinitarians? Could they in fact be guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? What if the “Spirit of God” is the “Spirit OF God” just as the Bible states, and not something called “god the holy spirit” which the Bible never says? If the Trinity doctrine is wrong, then the Holy Spirit is really a creation of Satan rather than the Spirit of the Father and Son. And if it is a creation of Satan, who would Trinitarians be attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to? They would inadvertently be attributing the work of the Spirit of God to Satan which is in fact the unpardonable sin! You cannot afford to get this wrong.

What constitutes the sin against the Holy Ghost? It is willfully attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit.” — (E.G. White, 5T 634.1, 1889)

The Bible reveals a handful of times that the miracles Christ performed while here on earth were done by His Father in heaven. John 11:40-41 indicates it was through His Father that Lazarus was raised. Every great miracle that Jesus did was done in a similar manner by His disciples or Old Testament prophets including walking on water and raising the dead. (Matthew 14:29; John 14:12; Acts 20:9-10; 1 Kings 17:22). This is not a sign they had all power but a sign that God was with them as He was with His Son. After He healed the paralytic man, the crowd, “marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.Matthew 9:8. Peter explains, “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.Acts 10:38. Jesus also explains, “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.John 14:10

All the miracles of Christ performed for the afflicted and suffering were, by the power of God, through the ministration of angels.” — (E.G. White, RH, Jan 21, 1873)

So Scripture reveals that Christ only knew what He had learned as a man and what His Father revealed to Him through His Spirit. Since our Father in Heaven knows all things, then Christ could also effectively know all things “if” the Spirit of God revealed it to Him. Thus if Jesus did not know the hour of His return it could only be because His Father had not revealed this to Him, and we are not told the reason why this was the case. Scripture shows that Jesus knew the thoughts of others but to be consistent with other Scripture, it had to be through the Holy Spirit. Peter, Elisha and Daniel all had the thoughts of others revealed to them by God also. (Acts 5:1-4; 2 Kings 5:25-27; Daniel 2:28-30)

Some will respond that Jesus did not know in His human nature but knew in His divine nature as the trinity teaches that there is one person subsisting in two natures. Jesus cannot have two minds, one that knew something and another that did not. Unless of course you want to make the absurd claim that mind and body are not correlated.

Why is it so hard to accept and understand that the disciples and many others have done all the same miracles that Jesus did by the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 15:9), and so when Jesus came as a man that He did them the same way? It seems most refuse to accept that their Lord and Saviour gave up a lot when he came as a man, and cannot stand the thought that for a while He was not omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. Though most accept Christ gave up His omnipresence, but only because they have no choice as there is no avoiding this fact. However, how many have stopped to consider the incredible love of their Saviour here in that temporarily laying aside these things made an even far greater sacrifice that could have been disastrous in cosmic proportions. Jesus even had to give up His dignity and have dirty diapers changed! By accepting the facts of Scripture, one does not have to go looking for ways of explaining away other Scriptures that show one is in error. We need to be able to harmonize all Scripture and realize that when we have to start trying to jam a square peg into a round hole then we have something wrong.

Paul in Philippians 2:5-9 speaks of the sacrifice and humility of Christ in regards to what He gave up coming as a man, even to the point of death, and that we should have the same mind and attitude as Him. The Greek text says He had the form or nature of God but emptied Himself, meaning He laid aside those divine attributes that prevented Him from living and dying as one of us. In having the same form and nature of God, He would never have been tired or suffered pain and other things that go with being in human form. Jesus had everything including immortality, and yet He willingly gave it up sacrificing all for us. But then He made an even greater sacrifice, giving up immortality, He died as a man by one of the most agonizing and drawn out deaths you could possibly imagine. When people refuse to acknowledge what Christ did give up, they also fail to acknowledge the magnitude and the depth of the sacrifice He really did make for us and how it demonstrates the immeasurable love that He and His Father have for us.

So what did Jesus get back when He returned to the Father? The fact is we are not specifically told. But we know He got back His omnipresence through the Holy Spirit as our Comforter. For example, Jesus said “Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.Matthew 28:20. We also know that Jesus retained the scars in His hands, feet and side (John 20:25-27). We assume He got back everything but we will have to wait until we see Him to find out just how great a sacrifice He and His Father really made in their incredible love for us.

Here is one more example to consider that many have overlooked. Revelation 1:1 states, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” This revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God. Why would Christ need His Father to reveal these things to Him if He knew all things?

 

Who is God?

Is God a person? Is He a thing or perhaps some invisible cosmic force? These are important questions to answer and should be easily answered by anyone who understands and knows God. Surprisingly, many Christians are stumped by these questions because they have been taught that God is some ghostly, mysterious vapour that pervades all nature.

Daniel was given a vision that helps us understand God. He wrote, “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.Daniel 7:9. Someone called “the Ancient of days,” who wears a white garment and has white hair takes a seat on a throne. Shortly thereafter the “Son of man,” (verse 13) comes before Him. The Ancient of days must be God, the Father. So according to the Bible our heavenly Father is a real person.

John was given a vision of this same event and states, “And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.Revelation 5:1. Shortly after John saw this, Jesus Christ approaches the throne and takes the book out of His Father's hand. So again we find that God is a real person who sits on a throne and has a book in His right hand.

God must be a real person for Jesus said, “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.Matthew 5:8. And Jesus warned, “Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 18:10. We should expect that God is a real person for we were created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:26). When we get to heaven we will find that we resemble God. We will not find a three headed monster with six arms or any other strange thing like that. God's outward form is very much like our own.

And in Hebrews 1:3 we learn that Jesus Christ is the express image of God's person. Therefore God must be a person and Jesus Christ is a real person also.

Paul confirmed this when He wrote, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:Philippians 2:5-6. The Greek word that was translated “form” means, “the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision, external appearance.” (Thayer's Greek Lexicon). God has an external appearance and His Son Jesus Christ has the same type of appearance.

Revelation 2:7 and 22:1-2 say that the throne of God is in paradise where the tree of life is and that is where we find God and His Son. God the person is not omnipresent but He is through His Spirit. Beware of Pantheism which is the belief that the universe and nature is identical with divinity, which basically would make God everything around us.

 

Who is Jesus Christ?

Jesus “asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Matthew 16:13-17 NKJV

This passage says that the Father who is in Heaven, revealed to Peter, that Jesus who was on Earth, is none other than His Son. Jesus Christ being the Son of God is so important that John wrote at the close of his gospel, “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name.John 20:30-31

The very first sermon Paul ever preached after learning the gospel from Christ Himself, “straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.Acts 9:20. The apostle Peter, who lived with Jesus and heard His messages firsthand said, “And we believe and are sure that you are that Christ, the Son of the living God.John 6:69. Christ's disciples also exclaimed, “we believe that you came forth from God.John 16:30. Martha who was a close friend of Jesus and heard many of His teachings said to Him, “Yes, Lord: I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.John 11:27. Right after Phillip preached the gospel to the eunuch, “said, If you believe with all thine heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Acts 8:37. Mark said who Jesus was in the first verse of his Gospel. “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.Mark 1:1. Even the demons knew, “they cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God?Matthew 8:29. So how did the demons know that Jesus was the Son of God? Because they had met Him before! These demons had once lived in Heaven. When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, he took a third of the angels with him. (Revelation 12:9) So they knew Jesus was the only Son of God!

Christ said, “For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist:Luke 7:28. John the Baptist testified, “And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.John 1:34

Of all the witnesses, the greatest is God the Father Himself. Twice He spoke from heaven saying, “This is my beloved Son,Matthew 3:17; 17:5. Jesus proclaimed, “I am the Son of God.John 10:36. He said that He is “the only begotten Son of God.John 3:18

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ was begotten which literally means born, and before anything was created and long before God sent Him into the world. (John 3:16-17; 18:37; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:1-9 and 1 John 4:9)

The Bible does not tell us how Jesus was begotten but God wants us to know that He is His Son whom He loves very much. Jesus said, “For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.John 5:26. If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible.

According to His own testimony, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and literally received life from His Father. He did not say that He was one of the three members of a Trinity who took on the role of the Son of God.

He said He was the Son of God!

 

Who is Jesus to Me?

Jesus is the Son of the one true God who loves His Son very much. And yet His Father loves us so much that he sent His only begotten Son to die for us. (John 3:16) And yet it seems with all the lies that Satan has perpetuated, that people are questioning this and the hundreds of Scriptures that state ever so clearly that they are a Father and Son, and that there was a risk of eternal loss.

Yet this is the mindset Satan has successfully got people to take. There is only one way you can be a Father and Son. And that means that the only being that has always existed, and had no beginning is the one true God the Father. However, in a sense Jesus has always existed. But as God's Son, he had a beginning and came from what is known as the days of eternity. The time before all things were created.

Consider the following. If we could travel at a septuagintacentillion times the speed of light in any one direction, would we ever find the end of the universe, like perhaps a wall with a sign saying this is the end? And if so, what would be on the other side of that wall? And what existed before God created all things through His Son? Was it nothing? And how long did nothing exist for if that was the case? It would have to be forever. And what about God, when did He begin to exist and who created Him? The answer is that there was never a time He did not exist and hence could never have been created. He is God and has always been and so is without beginning. And what about the Son of God who was born of the same substance of God? The same applies.

Since Christ is the same substance of His Father, then everything He consists of had no beginning. So His divinity had no beginning, His makeup; His nature had no beginning as it all came from the Father. So in principle, everything Christ is had no beginning. If you trace Christ back you will have to go through the Father and you will never get to a beginning. But His personality as the Son of God began when He was brought forth by His Father. So in effect it was only the personality of Christ that had a beginning.

And why should we care if He did? Does this make Him any less of a Saviour? He is God's Son! So why do some insist on trying to make Christ conform to the image they have of Him before they will accept Him? They expect Christ to be a second god identical to His Father in every way and thus reject Him as being a real Son. And yet the truth of Christ being God's Son is so precious. Just think about it for a moment. Christ is God's very own Son whom He loves very much! Why would anyone desire to destroy this precious Father and Son relationship?

There is one being that desires to do this. He wanted to be worshipped like the most high and was jealous of God's Son.

It is Satan!

His plan is to have us deny Jesus is the Son of God.

So a question for you: Are you going to let him?

Who is Jesus?

 

Who Did Ellen White Say Christ Was?

Most Adventists will state that “Jesus is the Son of God” but there are different meanings attached to these words. The sad reality is that most Adventists do not believe Jesus to be the Son of God at all if they subscribe to their denominational statements of belief. Because the trinity doctrine claims that Jesus is NOT the LITERAL Son of God because this doctrine claims that Jesus is the same age as the Father and has always existed alongside the Father.

Who is Christ? -- He is the only begotten Son of the living God.” — (Ellen G. White, The Youth's Instructor, June 28, 1894)

Christ threw back the charge of blasphemy, with the words, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth Him all things that himself doeth.” My authority for the work that I am doing, He said, is the fact that I am God's Son, one with Him in nature, will, and purpose. I co-operate with Him in His work. My Father loves me, and communicates to me all His counsels. Nothing is planned by the Father in heaven that is not fully opened to the Son.” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, March 5, 1901)

The quotes below reveal the following significant points.

  1. Christ was the first born of Heaven and hence is the literal Son of God which means He had a beginning.
  2. Christ was already the Son of God in Heaven and hence this was before He was born on Earth as the Son of man.
  3. She says God sent His own Son which also reveals He was God's Son before He came to Earth.
  4. The personality of Christ as the Son of God did not begin with His incarnation but was beforehand in Heaven.
  5. Christ was born from His Father even before God created the angels.
  6. War in Heaven began because Satan was jealous of God's Son and wanted to be exalted above Him.

The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 51)

Christ is the star that should arise out of Jacob, and the one in whom all the nations of the earth should be blessed, as the first born of heaven, and the only begotten of the Father, filled with all the treasures of eternity. He assumed humanity, and impressed upon it the glorious image of the everlasting God.” — (Ellen G. White, Lt101, February 17, 1896)

O what a gift God has made to our world! The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, liable to physical infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. He was the Son of the living God. His personality did not begin with His incarnation in the flesh.” — (Ellen G. White, Lt77, August 3, 1894)

The following quote also reveals that Christ was the Son of God before His incarnation. Ellen White is referring to those who deny Jesus is the literal Son of God and states it is a folly to argue with such people who give evidence of their own ignorance of God and of his Son.

Another dangerous heresy is the doctrine that denies the divinity of Christ. Men who have no experimental knowledge of Jesus, will yet assume an appearance of great wisdom, as though their judgment were beyond question, and boldly declare that the Son of God had no existence prior to his first advent to this world. This position directly contradicts the plainest statements of our Saviour concerning himself; yet it is received with favor by a large class who claim to believe the Scriptures. With such persons it is folly to argue. No argument, however conclusive, will convince those who reject the direct testimony of the Son of God. “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” [1 Corinthians 2:14.] Those who persistently cling to such errors, give evidence of their own ignorance of God and of his Son.” — (Ellen G. White, 4SP 347.3)

Satan was well acquainted with the position of honor Christ had held in Heaven as the Son of God, the beloved of the Father. And that he should leave Heaven and come to this world as a man filled him with apprehension for his own safety.” — (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, March 3, 1874)

Satan well knew the position that Christ had held in heaven as the Beloved of the Father. That the Son of God should come to this earth as a man filled him with amazement and with apprehension. He could not fathom the mystery of this great sacrifice. His selfish soul could not understand such love for the deceived race.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, p.115)

Before the foundations of the world were laid, He, the only begotten Son of God, pledged Himself to become the Redeemer of the human race should men sin. Adam fell, and He, who was partaker of the Father's glory before the world was, laid aside His royal robe and kingly crown and stepped down from His high authority to become a babe in Bethlehem, that He might redeem fallen human beings by passing over the ground where Adam stumbled and fell.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms22-1905)

I am instructed to say to you, All this holding to sentiments of infallibility is a specious device of the angel that was so exalted in the heavenly court. His beauty was so highly exalted that he thought he should be as God, and Christ must be second to him; but the Lord informed Satan this could not be possible. Christ was His only begotten Son.” — (E.G. White, Lt157-1910)

It was in seeking to exalt himself above the Son of God that Satan had sinned in heaven.” — (Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages, p.129)

Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and Lucifer, that glorious angel, got up a warfare over the matter, until he had to be thrust down to the earth.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms86, August 21, 1910)

Jesus stood by their side in the fiery furnace, and the glory of his presence convinced the proud king of Babylon that it could be no other than the Son of God.” — (Ellen G. White, The Youth's Instructor, 1904)

Angels that were loyal and true sought to reconcile this mighty, rebellious angel to the will of his Creator. They justified the act of God in conferring honor upon Christ, and with forcible reasoning sought to convince Lucifer that no less honor was his now than before the Father had proclaimed the honor which He had conferred upon His Son. They clearly set forth that Christ was the Son of God, existing with Him before the angels were created;” — (Ellen G. White, Story of Redemption, 15.2)

And since Ellen White distinguishes between before and after the angels were created, then she is also revealing that there was a time that Christ was brought forth from His Father. If Christ had always existed then she would not need to specify when Christ became the Son of God. She is specifying that Christ was the Son before the angels were created and not after.

So there can be no doubt that Jesus was God's Son long before He considered sending Him to Earth to pay the debt for our sin. So, is this a real Father and Son? Not hard to see if you desire truth.

Said the angel, Think ye that the Father yielded up his dearly beloved Son without a struggle? No, no. It was even a struggle with the God of Heaven, whether to let guilty man perish, or to give his beloved Son to die for them. Angels were so interested for man's salvation that there could be found among them those who would yield their glory, and give their life for perishing man. But, said my accompanying angel, That would avail nothing. The transgression was so great that an angel's life would not pay the debt. Nothing but the death and intercessions of his Son would pay the debt, and save lost man from hopeless sorrow and misery.” — (Ellen G. White, 1SP 48.1)

Jesus is the Son of God

 

How Many God's Are There?

The Scriptures below reveal there is but one God.

Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Malachi 2:10

Jesus confirms there is only ONE God and it is not Him.

In the passage of Mark 12:28-34, “one of the scribes came” to Jesus and “asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?” (v. 28) “Jesus answered, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart...” (v. 29, 30) Note Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:4. “The scribe said unto him, Well, Master, you have said the truth: for THERE IS ONE GOD; and there is none other but he:” (v. 32) How did Jesus respond to the Scribe? Did He tell Him that he was wrong? To the contrary, “And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly (wisely), he said unto him, You are not far from the kingdom of God.” (v. 34)

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.Romans 3:30

You believest that there is one God; you doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.James 2:19. These devils are fallen angels who knew God and His Son. So they know “there is one God” and they know that Jesus is the “Son of God,” and not the one true God. “they cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God?Matthew 8:29

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.1 Timothy 1:17

Note: The following Scriptures also state that there is one God. But does the Bible include Jesus as the one God as the trinity doctrine claims, or is there one God “and” also one Lord Jesus Christ meaning they are two separate beings?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Ephesians 4:4-6

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.1 Timothy 2:5

And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.Jude 1:4

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthians 8:6

So Paul, John and Jude state that the Father is the only true God while excluding Jesus Christ revealing that He is not the Father and separate from the one true God the Father. So the only contradiction would be a belief in the trinity.

The divine nature in the person of Christ was not transformed in human nature and the human nature of the Son of man was not changed into the divine nature, but they were mysteriously blended in the Saviour of men. He was not the Father but in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a, July 7, 1890)

The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (E.G. White, Ms140, 1903)

The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904)

And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:3

Trinity is a mystery

 

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One God or Three?

For more than 3,000 years, Jews have repeated Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” This sacred passage is called the Shema (pronounced shaw-mah and is named after the Hebrew for its first word) and has been held in high esteem and memorized by devout Jews for centuries. Trinitarians who believe there are 3 gods say, if the Bible says there is only one God then all three must be one, and yet others say if there is only one God, then how can God be composed of three beings? If Christians could only accept the simple words of Scripture instead of reading into it and trying to make Scripture say something it does not say.

When Moses said, “The Lord our God is one,” Israel was surrounded by polytheistic nations that worshiped many gods. In Deuteronomy chapter 6, Moses exhorts Israel to hear God and to keep His Commandments. And what Commandment was the most broken in Old Testament times? Idolatry! Polytheism is seen rampant all through the Old Testament and hence God constantly rebuking Israel for idolatry. They worshipped many false Gods including the sun and the moon as male and female deities. As a result, every devout Jew recites the Shema twice every day, and still do to this very day to keep up the great ancient national protest against the polytheisms and pantheisms of the heathen world. It is the great utterance of the national faith in One Jehovah!

What many fail to recognise is that to the Jews, there is only one God, and the Spirit of God is just that, not a separate being or god. The Jews were God's chosen people and God raised the Jewish nation as non-Trinitarian which has never changed. Trinitarians often try and use the language of the Jews to prove the Trinity doctrine and yet the people that this language belongs to were never Trinitarians! The Scriptures below reveal there is but one God.

Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Malachi 2:10

In the passage of Mark 12:28-34, “one of the scribes came” to Jesus and “asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?” (v. 28) “Jesus answered, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart...” (v. 29, 30) Note Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:4. “The scribe said unto him, Well, Master, you have said the truth: for THERE IS ONE GOD; and there is none other but he:” (v. 32) How did Jesus respond to the Scribe? Did He tell Him that he was wrong? To the contrary, “And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly (wisely), he said unto him, You are not far from the kingdom of God.” (v. 34)

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.Romans 3:30

You believest that there is one God; you doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.James 2:19. These devils are fallen angels who knew God and His Son. So they know “there is one God” and they know that Jesus is the “Son of God,” and not the one true God. “they cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God?Matthew 8:29

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.1 Timothy 1:17

Note: The following Scriptures also state that there is one God. But does the Bible include Jesus as the one God as the trinity doctrine claims, or is there one God “and” also one Lord Jesus Christ meaning they are two separate beings?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Ephesians 4:4-6

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.1 Timothy 2:5

And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.Jude 1:4

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthians 8:6

So Paul, John and Jude state that the Father is the only true God while excluding Jesus Christ revealing that He is not the Father and separate from the one true God the Father. So the only contradiction would be a belief in the trinity.

Since the Trinity doctrine teaches a three in one God, then Trinitarians use the corresponding phrases “God the Father,” “God the Son” and “God the Spirit.” They call all three gods. But since the Bible says there is only one God, then Trinitarians have to say that all three are one God. If this were true, then indeed the Bible would use these phrases and call them all God. So is it true? Does the Bible say this? No! If there really were three God's then the Bible would use these phrases. But it doesn't because there isn't. The Bible means what it says and says what it means! It says there is only one God being “God the Father” and so the Father is the only one called God.

The phrases “God the Son” and “God the Spirit” do not exist anywhere in Scripture, not even once! These phrases originated from the Catholic Church and were made up to match the doctrine they created. The Bible uses the phrase “Son of God” because that is who He is. And it uses “Spirit of God” or “Spirit of the Father” as that is what it is. So why are Trinitarians using made up phrases that have an entirely different meaning and hence are not found in the Bible? If you are using the Catholic phrases “God the Son” or “God the Spirit,” that never originated from Scripture, then you are following the Papal Church and antichrist, not the inspired words of God.

The divine nature in the person of Christ was not transformed in human nature and the human nature of the Son of man was not changed into the divine nature, but they were mysteriously blended in the Saviour of men. He was not the Father but in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a, July 7, 1890)
The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (E.G. White, Ms140, 1903)
The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904)

Since the Trinity is not found in the Bible as many scholars and theologians admit, then those teaching it have to use the following steps to try and prove that it does. Firstly, it is said that the Bible says the Father is God, (True) and that Jesus is called God by His Father, (True) and that the Bible says the Holy Spirit is God, (Not True). More on this later.

Secondly, it is then said that since all three are called God, (Not True) and Deuteronomy 6:4 says there is one God, “therefore” all three must be one! You will note that this is not a “Thus saith the Lord” and is the type of assumption that allows you to make Scripture say anything you desire. This is called red fire engine logic. That is, fire engines are red, my car is red, therefore my car is a fire engine! To assume something as important as who the Father and Son are like this that Scripture does not actually say is foolishness. If God wanted us to believe He was a Trinity, He would tell us in clear plain words. There is no Scripture that specifically states the Holy Spirit is God so once again this is erroneously assumed.

And thirdly, while the one true God calls His Son God, Paul, John and Jude in the Scriptures given above unmistakably exclude Christ from being the one God. So we are back to there being just the one true God the Father just as Deuteronomy 6:4 states, and just as the Jewish nation believed when they wrote these words, and as they still believe today. True Christianity originated from Judaism, not Catholic paganism. You cannot argue the doctrine of the Trinity from the words of the Jews who wrote them when they never believed in it.

Most of the Bible was written by the Jews who never believed or taught the Trinity doctrine and still do not today. And Jesus of course was a Jew as were His disciples. How do you teach the Trinity doctrine from the Bible when it is a non-Trinitarian book? The apostle John for instance could never have been teaching the Comforter and Spirit of truth is another being as the Jews have never taught or believed that ever. So the Bible had non-Trinitarian authors. Christians have been indoctrinated with many nice sounding erroneous ideas to make them think the doctrine is in the Bible when in fact it cannot be.

We also know the Bible is a non-Trinitarian book as the word Trinity did not exist until about 200 A.D. at which point the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third being and the 3 in 1 still did not exist. The fully developed trinity doctrine did not exist until 381 A.D. So it is impossible for any of the Bible authors to have written about something that did not exist in their lifetime.

In a discussion between Summerbell and Flood on Trinity, p. 38, in regards to the trinity he says, “it is certain that the Jewish church held to no such doctrine. Says Mr. Summerbell, “A friend of mine who was present in a New York synagogue, asked the Rabbi for an explanation of the word 'Elohim'. A Trinitarian clergyman who stood by, replied, 'Why, that has reference to the three persons in the Trinity,' when a Jew stepped forward and said he must not mention that word again, or they would have to compel him to leave the house; for it was not permitted to mention the name of any strange god in the synagogue.

Strange god indeed. I worship the one true God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Not some 1 in 3 god that came from sun and Satan worship! “And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:3

Trinity is a mystery

 

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Who Do You Say Jesus Is?

Is Jesus God or is He the Son of God?

Jesus said that He was not the Father more than 80 times. While remaining one in purpose and unity, Jesus and the Father are clearly two separate and distinct beings. On more than one occasion, the Father spoke to Jesus from heaven.

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased'.Matthew 3:17

Either Jesus and the Father are two separate beings or Jesus was an expert ventriloquist.

Jesus “asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Matthew 16:13-17

This passage says that the FATHER who is in HEAVEN, revealed to Peter, that JESUS who was on EARTH, is none other than His Son.

So what would you say if Jesus asked you who He was? Would you say, “you are part of some 3 in 1 god and just role playing a son?” Or would you be able to answer as Peter did? “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Scripture in fact calls Jesus the Son of God over and over again,.but it never calls Him “god the son.”

But how do we reconcile Hebrews and John chapter 1 which refer to Jesus as God? These verses have confused many and yet the answer is so simple.

The word God is used in two different ways in Scripture. Firstly, the word “God” is used to refer to the Supreme Being of the universe who is the ultimate source of all things. Every time the Bible refers to the one true God, it is referring to this supreme being who is the one that was before all else and from whom all life ultimately came. In this sense no one else is God.

But the word God is also used to refer to someone who possesses the attributes of divinity, or the characteristics of God.

Since Christ is the same substance of His Father, everything He consists of had no beginning. His divinity had no beginning, His makeup; His nature had no beginning as it all came from the Father. So in principle, everything Christ is had no beginning. If you trace Christ back you will have to go through the Father and you will never get to a beginning. But His personality as the Son of God began when He was brought forth by His Father.

So Christ is essentially God in infinity but not in personality. His personality began when He was brought forth from the Father in the days of eternity or days of everlasting. This is the time before all things were created when there was nothing to measure time by. So in effect it was only the personality of Christ as the Son of God that had a beginning.

So when we say Christ is God, we mean that He is the same substance of His Father and hence has the same God nature as His Father, but He is not God the Father. Scripture always calls Jesus the “Son of God,” but NEVER “god the son” as Trinitarians do, and with very good reason.

The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly GOD IN INFINITY, but NOT IN PERSONALITY.” — (E.G. White, MS116, December 19, 1905)

Waggoner explains in words that are easier to understand making what Ellen White said above easier to comprehend.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED. He is of the SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, so that IN HIS VERY NATURE HE IS GOD; and since this is so “it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.” Col. 1:19 ... While BOTH ARE OF THE SAME NATURE, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.” — (E.J. Waggoner, ST, April 8, 1889)

Note that Ellen G. White endorsed what Waggoner wrote below who explains very clearly again in what way Jesus is God.

This name [God] was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance.
Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because “He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” Heb. 1:4.
A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as “the only begotten Son of God,” has rightfully the same name.
A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has, to some extent, the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind. But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works; and so Christ is the “express image” of the Father's person. Heb. 1:3.
As the Son of the self-existent God, he has by nature all the attributes of Deity.

It is true that there are many sons of God; but Christ is the “only begotten Son of God,” and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was, or ever can be.
The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14,15);
but CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD BY BIRTH.
The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated, but that it is one which He has by right.
” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 11-12)

Thus by letting SOP explain SOP we find that when Ellen White refers to Jesus as God, we can see what she really means. She is not saying Jesus is the one true God the Father, and she is not saying Jesus is a “A” God or “THE” God, but God by nature being the Son.

Cherry picking statements from Ellen White's writings that would fit into a Trinitarian concept of God while ignoring her statements that do not fit the Trinitarian concept of God is a dishonest way to use her writings. To understand correctly what God has revealed through Ellen White, and find out what her beliefs were on this topic, it is necessary to quote all that she wrote on this subject, not just be selective in what we quote to suit our own agenda. That would be tantamount to deception.

A few times I have seen the writings of Ellen White abused to imply that Jesus is God the Father, but this is clearly not so or she would be seriously contradicting herself based on what she wrote here alone.

The divine nature in the person of Christ was not transformed in human nature and the human nature of the Son of man was not changed into the divine nature, but they were mysteriously blended in the Saviour of men. HE [CHRIST] WAS NOT THE FATHER but in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a, July 7, 1890)

Why does “all the fullness of the Godhead” dwell in Christ bodily? Because Jesus is the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15), and being brought forth from the Father, He has the same “divine nature” as He is the same substance as the Father. “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;Colossians 1:19

Ellen White also says Christ is the first-born in heaven and thus is the literal Son of God.

The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” — (E.G. White, DOA, p. 51)

And quoting Proverbs 8 Ellen White tells us that Christ was born of the Father before all creation.

Through Solomon Christ declared: “The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth.” — (E.G. White, ST, Aug 29, 1900)

The quotes below cannot be misunderstood either where she again states Jesus is NOT the one true God.

The man CHRIST JESUS WAS NOT THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (E.G. White, Ms140, 1903)

The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, BUT NOT IN PERSON. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904)

Christ prayed that HIS FOLLOWERS MIGHT BE ONE as he and the Father were one.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 29, 1888)

John 5:26 also tells us that the Father gave life to His Son. “For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.John 5:26

If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible.

Who do you say I am?

 

Who Do You Say Jesus Is?

Is Jesus God or is He the Son of God?

Jesus said that He was not the Father more than 80 times. While remaining one in purpose and unity, Jesus and the Father are clearly two separate and distinct beings. On more than one occasion, the Father spoke to Jesus from heaven.

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased'.Matthew 3:17

Either Jesus and the Father are two separate beings or Jesus was an expert ventriloquist.

Jesus “asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? So they said, Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Matthew 16:13-17

This passage says that the FATHER who is in HEAVEN, revealed to Peter, that JESUS who was on EARTH, is none other than His Son.

So what would you say if Jesus asked you who He was? Would you say, “you are part of some 3 in 1 god and just role playing a son?” Or would you be able to answer as Peter did? “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Scripture in fact calls Jesus the Son of God over and over again,.but it never calls Him “god the son.”

But how do we reconcile Hebrews and John chapter 1 which refer to Jesus as God? These verses have confused many and yet the answer is so simple.

The word God is used in two different ways in Scripture. Firstly, the word “God” is used to refer to the Supreme Being of the universe who is the ultimate source of all things. Every time the Bible refers to the one true God, it is referring to this supreme being who is the one that was before all else and from whom all life ultimately came. In this sense no one else is God.

But the word God is also used to refer to someone who possesses the attributes of divinity, or the characteristics of God.

Since Christ is the same substance of His Father, everything He consists of had no beginning. His divinity had no beginning, His makeup; His nature had no beginning as it all came from the Father. So in principle, everything Christ is had no beginning. If you trace Christ back you will have to go through the Father and you will never get to a beginning. But His personality as the Son of God began when He was brought forth by His Father.

So Christ is essentially God in infinity but not in personality. His personality began when He was brought forth from the Father in the days of eternity or days of everlasting. This is the time before all things were created when there was nothing to measure time by. So in effect it was only the personality of Christ as the Son of God that had a beginning.

So when we say Christ is God, we mean that He is the same substance of His Father and hence has the same God nature as His Father, but He is not God the Father. Scripture always calls Jesus the “Son of God,” but NEVER “god the son” as Trinitarians do, and with very good reason.

The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly GOD IN INFINITY, but NOT IN PERSONALITY.” — (E.G. White, MS116, December 19, 1905)

Waggoner explains in words that are easier to understand making what Ellen White said above easier to comprehend.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. HE WAS BEGOTTEN, NOT CREATED. He is of the SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, so that IN HIS VERY NATURE HE IS GOD; and since this is so “it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.” Col. 1:19 ... While BOTH ARE OF THE SAME NATURE, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while CHRIST'S PERSONALITY HAD A BEGINNING.” — (E.J. Waggoner, ST, April 8, 1889)

Note that Ellen G. White endorsed what Waggoner wrote below who explains very clearly again in what way Jesus is God.

This name [God] was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance.
Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because “He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” Heb. 1:4.
A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as “the only begotten Son of God,” has rightfully the same name.
A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has, to some extent, the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind. But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works; and so Christ is the “express image” of the Father's person. Heb. 1:3.
As the Son of the self-existent God, he has by nature all the attributes of Deity.

It is true that there are many sons of God; but Christ is the “only begotten Son of God,” and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was, or ever can be.
The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14,15);
but CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD BY BIRTH.
The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated, but that it is one which He has by right.
” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p. 11-12)

Thus by letting SOP explain SOP we find that when Ellen White refers to Jesus as God, we can see what she really means. She is not saying Jesus is the one true God the Father, and she is not saying Jesus is a “A” God or “THE” God, but God by nature being the Son.

A few times I have seen the writings of Ellen White abused to imply that Jesus is God the Father, but this is clearly not so or she would be seriously contradicting herself based on what she wrote here alone.

The divine nature in the person of Christ was not transformed in human nature and the human nature of the Son of man was not changed into the divine nature, but they were mysteriously blended in the Saviour of men. HE [CHRIST] WAS NOT THE FATHER but in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a, July 7, 1890)

Why does “all the fullness of the Godhead” dwell in Christ bodily? Because Jesus is the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15), and being brought forth from the Father, He has the same “divine nature” as He is the same substance as the Father. “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;Colossians 1:19

The man CHRIST JESUS WAS NOT THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (E.G. White, Ms140, 1903)

The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, BUT NOT IN PERSON. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904)

Christ prayed that HIS FOLLOWERS MIGHT BE ONE as he and the Father were one.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 29, 1888)

John 5:26 also tells us that the Father gave life to His Son. “For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.John 5:26

If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible.

Who do you say I am?

 

Does Romans 9:5 say Jesus is God?

The answer is No! It is just one of those verses that was difficult to translate and why we find such a huge variation in all the different translations.

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary explains:
Who is. The interpretation of the last half of v. 5 has been debated at great length. The discussions reached a climax after the appearance of the NT of the RV in 1881. Considerable space was devoted to the question in the religious journals of the day. The problem is one of punctuation, and since the original Greek manuscripts were written without any form of punctuation, the solution becomes a matter of interpretation (cf. on Luke 23:43).
With various changes of punctuation, four possible interpretations of this passage have been advanced (see RV text and margin). One is to place either no punctuation, or a comma, after “flesh” and refer the whole passage to Christ as an assertion of His divinity. This has been the traditional view and is the interpretation offered by the KJV and most other versions. A second possibility is to place a comma after “flesh” and a period after “all.” The passage would then read, “Of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all. God be [is] blessed for ever.”
A third possibility is to place a period after “flesh” and translate the rest of the verse, “He who is God over all be blessed for ever,” or “God who is over all be blessed for ever.” This is the reading preferred by the RSV and a few other versions. A fourth possibility is to use the same punctuation as in the third solution and to translate, “He who is over all is God blessed for ever.” For a more detailed discussion of the problem see Sanday and Headlam, The International Critical Commentary, on Romans, pp. 233–238. ... For a further discussion of this text see The Ministry, Sept., 1954, pp. 19–21; Problems in Bible Translation, pp. 218–222.

Here are some other examples of how Romans 9:5 has been translated.

(RSV) “to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.

(GNB) “they are descended from the famous Hebrew ancestors; and Christ, as a human being, belongs to their race. May God, who rules over all, be praised forever! Amen.

(NLV) “The early preachers came from this family. Christ Himself was born of flesh from this family and He is over all things. May God be honored and thanked forever. Let it be so.

(UPDV) “whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh. May God, who is over all, be blessed forever. Amen.

(CEV) “They have those famous ancestors, who were also the ancestors of Jesus Christ. I pray that God, who rules over all, will be praised forever! Amen.

The most common translation says that Jesus is blessed by God forever.”

(AKJV) “Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(ASV) “whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(Darby) “whose are the fathers; and of whom, as according to flesh, is the Christ, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(DRB) “Whose are the fathers and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(KJV) “Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(LONT) “whose are the fathers; and from whom the Messiah descended, according to the flesh; who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

(MRC) “whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Messiah according to the flesh, Who is over all, God blessed forever. Amein.

(NASB) “whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

(NRSV) “to them belong the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

(RV) “whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(TMB) “of whom are the fathers, and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(UKJV) “Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(Webster) “Whose are the fathers, and from whom according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(WNT) “To them the Patriarchs belong, and from them in respect of His human lineage came the Christ, who is exalted above all, God blessed throughout the Ages. Amen.

(YLT) “whose are the fathers, and of whom is the Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed to the ages. Amen.

 

Does Titus 2:13 say Jesus is God?

Titus 2:13 KJVLooking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Sadly, it seems that the deceived read this verse with Trinitarian glasses and fail to see that this verse refers to BOTH God the Father and His Son. It says, “God ‘AND’ our Saviour!”

Titus 2:13 DOES NOT say, “the glorious appearing of the great God Jesus Christ” as Trinitarians seem to somehow imagine.

Titus 2:13 says, “the glorious appearing of the great God “AND” our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Hence this verse does NOT say Jesus is God.

Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832)
The glorious appearing - Και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου Θεου και σωτηρος ἡμων Ιησου Χριστου. This clause, literally translated, is as follows: And the appearing of the glory of the great God, even our Savior Jesus Christ.

And so we also find the KJV is translated poorly on this verse, and the phrase “glorious appearing of the great God” should be “appearing of the glory of the great God.

Note the ASV and LONT for two clear examples of the correct and literal translation.

Titus 2:13 ASVlooking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Titus 2:13 LONTexpecting the blessed hope; namely, the appearing of the glory of the great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Many translations accurately translated to “the appearing of the glory of our great God.

(CENT)the appearing of the glory of our great God

(ESV)the appearing of the glory of our great God

(RSV)the appearing of the glory of our great God

(RV)and appearing of the glory of our great God

(Darby)and appearing of the glory of our great God

(HNV)and appearing of the glory of our great God

(ACV)and appearance of the glory of our great God

(ALT)and appearance of the glory of our great God

 (LITV)and appearance of the glory of our great God

(MKJV)and the appearance of the glory of our great God

 

Does 1 Timothy 3:16 say Jesus is God?

Some claim 1 Timothy 3:16 identifies Jesus as “God” because the KJV translation says “God was manifested in the flesh.” However, modern Bible translations do not read “God” in this verse. Trinitarians make this claim by quoting from the KJV, despite the fact that Bible scholars agree this is a certain corruption. Yet some continue to cherry-pick this verse.

Below is the SDA Bible Commentary based on the incorrect KJV translation of the word “God.” The correct translation is “he or who,” not “God.” And that “he” is Jesus Christ.

God: Textual evidence favors the reading “he who.” The reference is clearly to Jesus, in and through whom the divine secret has been revealed.” — (Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary)

Here is this verse from the KJV.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJVAnd without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And here it is from the NIV.

1 Timothy 3:16 NIVBeyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

If the word “God” was correct, observe how the rest of the verse would read, which is clearly incorrect.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJVAnd without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, [God was] justified in the Spirit, [God was] seen of angels, [God was] preached unto the Gentiles, [God was] believed on in the world, [God was] received up into glory.

Was God received up into glory? No! Jesus Christ was received up into glory. Trinitarians are going to have a hard time making all that fit. Now if the correct translation of “He” is used referring to Christ, we have no problem as we see below.

1 Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [He] was manifest in the flesh, [He was] justified in the Spirit, [He was] seen of angels, [He was] preached unto the Gentiles, [He was] believed on in the world, [He was] received up into glory.

Note the “New International Reader's Version” for example.

1 Timothy 3:16 NIRVThere is no doubt that godliness is a great mystery. Jesus appeared in a body. The Holy Spirit proved that he was the Son of God. He was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations. People in the world believed in him. He was taken up to heaven in glory.

There are many theologians who actually have a good idea how this corruption happened. Scribal copyists regularly used a contracted form of the Greek word for “God” called a “nomina sacra” that was used very early in Christian history for sacred names. The Greek word for “God” is theos which is written as “Θεος.” The abbreviation took the form “Θς” with a faint overscore stroke above the abbreviation, which often become quite faint in the copies.

Now the Greek word for “who” is the word “hos” which is written in Greek as “Oς.” Notice the similarity between these two words “Θς” and “” and also remember they were hand written. With the exception of one pen stroke, the Omicron “O” and Theta “Θ” are nearly identical. So it would be very easy to make a mistake copying from one manuscript to another, which would be excusable if this is what happened.

But it would also be easy for an overzealous scribe to execute a forgery by changing the manuscript and the handwritten “O” (Omicron) into a “Θ” (Theta) with a single stroke of his pen which would completely change the meaning of the verse.

It would also be very easy to change the word “ho” to “theos” by adding a stroke and an “s.” But it would be a lot more difficult to do it the other way around without getting caught as you would have to remove the stroke.

There is also evidence that ink may have bled through the other side of the media and made it appear to a copyist to read “Θς” because the ink bleeding could make it appear to be a line where “” had been written. Whether or not it was an honest copying mistake or a forgery, it is very likely that the error was produced in this manner.

So below are the known facts:

1) Trinitarians are focused on a version of the text which is known to be a scribal error.

2) Modern Trinitarian translations and their translators admit this is a scribal error and do not translate this passage with the known error that seemed to support Trinity doctrine.

3) We know this error occurred by either (1) one additional stroke of a pen changing the Greek word from “who” to “God” or (2) by two additional strokes of a pen changing the Greek word from “which” to God, or (3) by the ink bleeding through the media used.

4) The KJV version of this verse is NOT found anywhere in early Christian writings before the Trinity doctrine was created.

5) No early manuscripts contain this version of the verse. The corrupted version of this text appears only after the Trinity doctrine was developed in the fourth and fifth century.

6) The Greek grammar also indicates this rendering is wrong.

Besides the NIV and NIRV already given, below are a few more translations (there are many more) where the translators new it was error and have the correct reading of the manuscript. Most say “He” and some even say “Jesus” and “Christ” outright.

1Timothy 3:16

(ASV)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

(CEV) “Here is the great mystery of our religion: Christ came as a human. The Spirit proved that he pleased God, and he was seen by angels. Christ was preached to the nations. People in this world put their faith in him, and he was taken up to glory.

(NASB)By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

(NLT)Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ appeared in the flesh and was shown to be righteous by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and was announced to the nations. He was believed on in the world and was taken up into heaven.

(NLV)It is important to know the secret of Godlike living, which is: Christ came to earth as a Man. He was pure in His Spirit. He was seen by angels. The nations heard about Him. Men everywhere put their trust in Him. He was taken up into heaven.

(NRSV)Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great: He was revealed in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory.

(RSV)Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

(WNT)And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.

Some Trinitarians will stop at nothing to try and prove this soul stealing lie from Satan that was brought into Christendom by the Roman Catholic Church long after the Bible was written. 1 Timothy 3:16 is a perfect example of just how far they will go.

 

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What are the Implications of the Trinity Doctrine?

Ever since the death of Jesus, our adversary has tried to pervert what Christ accomplished in His incarnation (meaning in our Saviour's life and death). And since Satan can do nothing about what Christ actually did achieve, he does the next best thing which is to promote the belief that the divine Son of God did not actually die at Calvary. I have heard Pastors preach that God sent Himself to die on the cross since the trinity teaches all three are the one god. But this leads to another problem because God cannot die. So it is claimed that Jesus had two natures, a divine nature and a human nature and only the human nature died. But to say that the divine Son of God could not die is as far from the teachings of the Bible as darkness is from light. So we would ask the Trinitarian to which of the two natures are we indebted to for redemption? The answer is the divine one who died and shed His blood for us. It should be obvious that if only the human nature died, our Redeemer was only human and the divine Son of God took no part in the work of redemption for He could neither suffer nor die. Satan also aims to pervert how much it cost God in sacrificing His Son. The Father supposedly never risked anything by giving up His Son, for they claim that Christ could not have possibly sinned. Therefore nothing was at stake. If only human nature suffered and died as the trinity doctrine teaches, then the divine Christ remained unscathed. And since God cannot die, Christ would never have been able to die under any circumstance. Yet Jesus said, “I am He that liveth, and was dead.Revelation 1:18

Almost all Christians state that, “Jesus is the Son of God,” but there are different meanings attached to these words. The sad reality is that most professed Christians do not believe Jesus to be the Son of God if they subscribe to their denominational statements of belief. Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus is the Son of God, but when asked to explain, say that Jesus was the first angel that God created and was no different from Lucifer or the other angels. Roman Catholics say that Jesus is the Son of God, but when they are asked to explain say there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and yet there are not three gods but one God. Others claim Jesus is a co-eternal companion of God whom God declared to be His Son, even though He is not really His Son, while Unitarians claim Jesus did not exist before His incarnation. And yet others will tell you that Jesus became the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem and was not the Son of God in any other sense. Every one of these explanations has the exact same serious problem which is not by chance. They all deny that Jesus is the literal Son of God in some way which is exactly what Satan wants.

The trinity doctrine says there are:

3 beings who are co-eternal
3 beings who are all immortal
3 beings who are all powerful, all knowing etc.
3 beings who are worthy of worship and praise
3 beings each acting a different role

So if all three members of the Godhead are co-eternal, then there was “never” a time that they did not exist, and they all must be the same infinite age. If this is true, then the titles which they possess merely reflect the roles taken to act out the plan of redemption. They cannot then be taken in a literal sense. For example, the Son of God then is not really God's Son, He is the member of the Godhead playing the role of the Son. Yet Scripture teaches us over and over again that God gave His Son, but the trinity doctrine tells us that Jesus was not really God's Son, He was the member of the Godhead playing the role of the Son. The Trinitarian typically claims that Jesus was referred to as God's Son because of His birth in Bethlehem. But the Bible states that Jesus was brought forth before all things were created. So if Jesus has “always” existed then it is impossible for Him to be the Son of God. And if Christ is not a literal Son, then God cannot be a literal Father either. And so the trinity doctrine destroys the personality of God, and of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And since this doctrine denies the Father and Son, which it also does by teaching the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are the same one God, then this is a denial of both the Father and the Son in more ways than one which 1 John 2:22-23 states is antichrist. Notice that John says nothing about denying the Holy Spirit. Thus more than 100 verses that state Jesus is the Son of God apparently do not really mean what they say at all. Do you know of any other doctrine that has to explain away so many clear Scriptures? If you accept the Trinity doctrine, then Jesus cannot be the Son of God. And if you do not accept Jesus as being the Son of God, then you cannot have eternal life! With these facts in mind, consider the following Scriptures very carefully and ask yourself does this affect your eternal life by denying who the Father and Son truly are. And considering the trinity doctrine is from Satan, it is not hard to see what his plan is if your eyes are wide open.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.1 John 2:22-23

And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3

He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.John 3:36

But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name.John 20:31

So most important of all is this doctrine can be a salvation issue which I would have never imagined until I studied this topic in depth and realized all the implications. And what about the Holy Spirit. If the trinity doctrine is wrong, then the Holy Spirit is really a creation of Satan rather than the Spirit of the Father and Son. And if this third being is a creation of Satan, who would we be giving our adoration to? Whose Spirit would we have? As the above verses state, knowing exactly who the Father and Son are is the key to eternal life. But understanding the identity of the Holy Spirit is also something you cannot afford to get wrong.

One might ask why the Bible never tells us to “pray to” or “worship” the Holy Spirit if it is a third co-equal being as the trinity doctrine claims. We are told to pray “for” the Spirit, but never “to” the Spirit. Yet as the trinity doctrine takes a stronger hold on the Church, some are beginning to do just that contrary to the teachings of Scripture. And if you think that Satan is not leading Christians to pray to the Holy Spirit, then watch this 35 second YouTube video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hlgqyMdfRXs?start=4287&end=4323&autoplay=1&rel=0

Notice that he says “god the spirit” which is a Catholic Trinitarian phrase and hence is never found in the Bible which uses the phrase “Spirit of God” which has a totally different meaning.

Who would be the four highest beings in Heaven before the fall of man (before sin) if the Holy Spirit was a third co-equal being as per the Trinity doctrine? It would be the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Lucifer. Who is it that wants to be like the most High and be worshipped and prayed to as God? (Isaiah 14:12-14) What if the Holy Spirit was not a third literal being. Who would then be the third highest being? Lucifer! So if the Holy Spirit is not a third literal being, a separate God, then who would be answering our prayers if we prayed to the “Spirit”? Who would be setting himself up as a third “God” worthy of praise and worship? Has Satan succeeded in accomplishing his goal of being included as a deity? If we now believe the Holy Spirit can be worshipped and prayed to just like the Father and the Son, who actually receives our worship? If the Holy Spirit is not a third being then whose spirit would we have according to our belief and who would we be giving our adoration to?

For Adventists: Before sin — “Among the inhabitants of heaven, Satan, next to Christ, was at one time most honored of God, and highest in power and glory.” — (E.G. White, ST, July 23, 1902). The Spirit of Prophecy confirms that Satan did use to be the third highest being in Heaven. Not a third being called the Holy Spirit as the Trinity doctrine claims.

Since the trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, an Adventist author from the 1800's wrote, “To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.” — (J.N. Loughborough)

Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God but was seen, is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel, is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return, is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He, is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father, is the Son but the same age as the Father, is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, is very God and very man, came out from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself, sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and His own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities.

Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and then share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2 John 1:3Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Prayer to the Holy Spirit

 

Are You Worshipping Satan and do Not Know it?

When Christians are asked if they believe in the Trinity, they often say yes without even knowing exactly what it is. And most also say that it does not really matter anyway as it is not a salvation issue. But that could not be further from the truth and if we truly love the Lord then we should want to know anyway. John called those teaching that all three are one were antichrist. (1 John 2:22-23) Are those John calls antichrist saved? Not likely!

Many serious problems arise from not knowing but the following is one of the worst. Seventh day Adventists are most easily misled here because when informed of the truth, they typically turn to the internet where they eventually find a handful of easily misunderstood quotes by Ellen White, which were compiled by LeRoy Froom with the deliberate intent to deceive. Without even checking what the Bible says, they put their trust in these misunderstood quotes and never look deeper, or examine her other writings to see what she really meant. Some have the mentality that their Church could never be wrong. What a tragic mistake.

Reading Revelation chapters 13 and 14 we find that the mark of the beast is about who we worship. Isaiah 14:12-14 says that Satan desires to be worshipped as God. But if Satan asked you to worship him, would you do it? Of course not. And Satan of course knows this. So Satan gets himself a front man and props him up so when they are worshipped, he receives worship by proxy. This is called worship by representation. There are two ways Satan does this with Christians and both come from sun worship, which is really the worship of Satan.

The first way is through Sunday worship. For those who are unaware, Scripture informs us that the Lord's Sabbath is a sign that it is God whom we worship and God who sanctifies us when we keep His Seventh day Holy. Revelation 13:2 says Satan gave his power, throne and great authority to the first beast which is the Papal Church system. So when this beast power is being worshipped, who is really being worshipped? Satan himself! So where does worship come into this? By Satan through the Catholic Church implementing his own day of worship being Sunday. That is, Sunday worship that evolved from sun worship.

The second way is by worship of the Holy Spirit as a non-existent literal being, and so Satan steps in to receive this worship by representation once again. This was something he put in place a long time ago in 381 A.D. The Bible never teaches that the Holy Spirit is God or that the Holy Spirit should be prayed to or worshipped, and yet the Catholic Church does this. Today there are more and more from other denominations now doing the same.

Does it matter if we choose a non–existent god that is a creation of Satan to be the Holy Spirit so he can get worship and have us deny the real Holy Spirit? In other words, does it matter if we have the Spirit of the Father and Son or a creation of Satan and hence reject the real Holy Spirit? Do you think Satan wants your prayers and worship? He sure does!

So the third person in the Trinity in fact is actually Satan! It should be obvious that if you get this wrong you will not be in the kingdom.

Just recently some Adventists are now teaching we should pray to the Holy Spirit. Yet we are only supposed to worship God through His Son. Jerry Moon from the Seventh day Adventist theological seminary, who is one of the authors of the book The Trinity, first says in this book:

In the spirit of the pioneers of the Seventh-day Adventist church, the authors of this book firmly hold the following conviction: if we cannot support any teaching biblically, we do not want it.” — (The Trinity, p. 10)

We will be very candid with our readers--if it is not biblical we do not want it, even if the vast majority of authorities in the religious world endorse it (including Adventist pioneers and the theologians of 'Babylon').” — (The Trinity, p.11)

Considering the last bracketed statement, why is there a triquetra on the front cover of his book, and even worse, with three fiery rings? What do they represent? The theologians of Babylon of course are the pagan sun worshippers where astrology originated from!

Next we have an interesting confession that we see many times from other writers and historians:

The only way for the pioneers in their context to effectively separate Scripture from tradition was to abandon every doctrine not clearly supported from the Bible alone. Thus they initially rejected the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, which clearly contained elements not evident in Scripture.” — (The Trinity, p. 202)

So the authors say that “IF IT IS NOT BIBLICAL WE DO NOT WANT IT” as they clearly state more than once. And yet below they say that even if there is no Biblical support for it, as long as it seems logical it is okay! Reading on:

But what about direct PRAYER TO THE HOLY SPIRIT? While we have NO CLEAR EXAMPLE of or direct command to pray to the Spirit in Scripture, doing so does have, in principle, some implicit biblical support. ... it only seems logical that God's people can pray directly to and worship the Holy Spirit.” — (The Trinity, pp. 272, 273, Emphasis)

Wow! Did you get that? What happened to “IF IT IS NOT BIBLICAL WE DO NOT WANT IT!”

Is this one reason that the Trinity doctrine is now accepted by so many Churches? Even if it is not evident in Scripture, as long as it seems logical then it is okay. Though I am not sure what is logical about 1+1+1=One!

Here is just one example of the SDA Church praying to the Holy Spirit in a 2017 Sabbath School lesson which is NOT Biblical. Not only that, but who gets this prayer with the Trinity doctrine? It goes to Satan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWlLePA8fqI

Triquetra Papal mitre

 

What is the Origin of the Trinity Doctrine and Sunday Worship?

Below are two quotes where the Catholic Church mock other denominations for following two of their doctrines that they brought into Christendom. Both are pagan, and both originated from sun worship, which was Satan worship from Babylon.

Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the BIBLICAL SABBATH (SATURDAY) TO SUNDAY, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” — (Rome's Challenge, www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline, December 2003)

Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture ... But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, AS THE TRINITY, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, October 30, 1950, p. 51)

The question was asked in the Catholic Catechism.

Q. What is Sunday, or the Lord's Day in general?
 A. It is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the HONOUR OF THE MOST HOLY TRINITY, and in memory that Christ our Lord arose from the dead upon Sunday, sent down the holy Ghost on a Sunday, &c. and therefore is called the Lord's Day. It is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of DIES SOLIS, THE DAY OF THE SUN, to which it was sacred.
” — (The Douay Catechism of 1649, p. 143)

An interesting statement considering “Sunday worship” and the “Trinity doctrine” both came from sun and Satan worship in Babylon, and they were both brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church whom God calls Babylon!

In 1981, Neal C. Wilson was also GC President and announced that the Church had officially adopted the Trinity doctrine. He wrote, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” — (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3)

What is this doctrine from Babylon doing in the SDA Church?

Triquetra Papal mitre

 

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAY SUNDAY WORSHIP COMES FROM THEM

WHAT ELSE DO THEY SAY COMES FROM THEM AND IS NOT BIBLICAL?

Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the BIBLICAL SABBATH (SATURDAY) TO SUNDAY, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” — (Rome's Challenge, www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline, December 2003)

Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture ... But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, AS THE TRINITY, for which there is NO SUCH PRECISE AUTHORITY IN THE GOSPELS,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, October 30, 1950, p. 51)

Little horn

 

WHAT TWO THINGS DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MAKE IN HONOUR OF SUN WORSHIP?

The question was asked in the Catholic Catechism.

Q. WHAT IS SUNDAY, or the Lord's Day in general?
 A. It is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the HONOUR OF THE MOST HOLY TRINITY, and in memory that Christ our Lord arose from the dead upon Sunday, sent down the holy Ghost on a Sunday, &c. and therefore is called the Lord's Day. It is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of DIES SOLIS, THE DAY OF THE SUN, to which it was sacred.
” — (The Douay Catechism of 1649, p. 143)

 

WHAT ARE THE TWO COUNTERFEITS SATAN INSPIRED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO MAKE TO STEAL SOULS?

As fundamental errors, we might class with this COUNTERFEIT SABBATH other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, THE TRINITY,” — (J.S. White, RH, Sept 12, 1854, p. 36)

We find this question in the Catholic Catechism,

WHAT IS SUNDAY...” The answer was that Sunday “is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honor of the most holy TRINITY.” — (RH, vol. 5, no. 24, p. 86)

Sunday is Satan's counterfeit for the true Sabbath and the trinity doctrine is Satan's counterfeit for the godhead.

 

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO WAKE PEOPLE UP?

And to Stop them Denying Facts and Listening to the Lies…

The Trinity doctrine is a creation of Satan and is his BIGGEST and BEST deception. It was brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church more than 200 years AFTER the Bible was written to steal souls from the kingdom. The souls lost will be anyone deceived enough to follow the Papal Church and Satan's creation. Such people typically just ASSUME.

The Bible was in fact written by Jews and the Jews have NEVER believed in the Trinity doctrine and they have NEVER taught the Holy Spirit is a third god.

NOT in the beginning and still NOT today. Not ever!

So how can the authors of the Bible be referring to a third god when they have NEVER taught or believed that ever?!

And yet most are so indoctrinated with the lie they will ignore this fact also.

So brainwashed in fact the deceived say “GOD THE SON” and “GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT” and yet the Bible NEVER EVER uses these phrases. Not EVER! These phrases came from the CATHOLIC CHURCH, not the BIBLE !

Does it matter if we choose a non–existent god that is a creation of Satan to be the Holy Spirit so he can get worship and have us deny the real Holy Spirit? In other words, does it matter if we have the Spirit of the Father and Son or a creation of Satan and hence reject the real Holy Spirit? Thus the third person in the Trinity is actually Satan! It should be obvious that if you get this wrong you will not be in the kingdom.

As for the Adventist Church.

God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

He did this by searching for any quotes Ellen White wrote that could be misunderstood on their own if you did not bother to look at what else she wrote and let SOP explain SOP.

And yet again, most are so indoctrinated with the lie they will ignore this fact also.

In 1981, SDA President Neal C. Wilson announced that the Church had officially adopted the Trinity doctrine, which was now number 2 in the Church's 27 Fundamental Beliefs. He wrote, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” — (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3)

The Name “Seventh day Adventist” was given to the Church when it was non-Trinitarian, not when it became Trinitarian in 1980.

NON-TRINITARIANS ARE IN FACT THE TRUE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS.

The indoctrinated and prejudiced will deny every fact and will respond with a variety of ignorance. And we wonder why most are going through the wide gate.

The intelligent people will ask questions and will want to learn and see if this is true.

In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth.” — (Ellen G. White, PP 55.2)

Most people are sheeple, and so most will not ask and will lose their soul. How God must grieve.

 

What is the Trinity and What Does the Bible Teach?

The Trinity is a man made doctrine from the CATHOLIC Church that teaches 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are not 3 gods but 1 god. (1+1+1=One in other words) You do not have to be very smart to realize that this makes no sense at all. Therefore, those teaching this doctrine tag it with the word MYSTERY, stating that you will never be able to understand it so just accept it. They may also say, just because it is Catholic it does not mean it is wrong. So in one way or another Satan has tricked people into believing this falsehood without checking it out for themselves. Where do mystery doctrines come from? Babylon meaning confusion.

And since this satanic doctrine that was created AFTER the Bible was written claims they are all co-eternal and 3 in 1, it means that God cannot not really be a Father and Jesus cannot really be His Son. So it destroys this beautiful and most precious Father and Son relationship just as Satan desired. The Apostle John called this antichrist. (1 John 2:22-23)

And even worse, by Satan creating the Trinity doctrine, it creates a non-existent third being. Satan steps into this position he has created and receives the worship he desires. (Isaiah 14:12-14) This is known as worship by representation and is what Satan has also done with Sunday worship.

Does it matter if we choose a non–existent god that is a creation of Satan to be the Holy Spirit so he can get worship and have us deny the real Holy Spirit? In other words, does it matter if we have the Spirit of the Father and Son or a creation of Satan and hence reject the real Holy Spirit?

Thus the third person in the Trinity is actually Satan! It should be obvious that if you get this wrong you will not be in the kingdom.

There is no mystery with the Biblical view of the Godhead which reveals there is but one true God the Father who is a literal Father, one Lord Jesus Christ being His literal Son, and one Holy Spirit being the presence and power of God and not a separate being with a separate consciousness.

As one Christian author wrote. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, not a son by creation as were the angels, nor a son by adoption as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person that is equal in authority and divine perfection. (E.G. White, ST, May 30, 1895)

Thus we have “God the Father,” (who is Christ's father) the “Son of God,” (who is God's Son) and the “Spirit of God,” which is His Spirit just as Scripture keeps telling us over and over again. The Bible never says “god the son” or “god the spirit.”

Jesus inherited His Father's name and Divine nature being His Son just as we inherit our fathers name and nature. Jesus can be called God but He is not “a” god or “the” God but God by nature and inheritance being God's Son. (See Hebrews 1:4, 8)

The Holy Spirit is the power and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends through His Son to us. This is not a separate person of the Godhead who is being sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son. Thus the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ and can function independently of themselves like a third, though not a literal third, and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

The real truth is so precious. A real Father and Son who live in you by their Holy Spirit.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Trinity is false

 

WHO DID ELLEN WHITE CALL THE HEAVENLY TRIO?

Cherry picking statements from Ellen White's writings that could fit a Trinitarian concept of God while ignoring the tens of thousands of statements from her that do not fit the Trinitarian concept is a dishonest way to use her writings.

To understand correctly what God has revealed through Ellen White, and find out what her beliefs were on this topic, it is necessary to quote all that she wrote on this subject, not just be selective in what we quote to suit our own agenda. That would be tantamount to deception.

SO LET'S LET ELLEN WHITE TELL US WHO SHE CALLED THE TRIO.

Note that Ellen White wrote “Heavenly Trio,” not “Heavenly Trinity!” The Trinity teaches 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are not 3 gods but one God! But a trio is just three of something. So the Trio of course is simply the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I hope we all agree who the Father and Son are. So what we need to know is who Ellen White says the Holy Spirit is, and hence who she says is third in the Heavenly Trio? She wrote those words so ONLY she knows what she meant. Let SOP explain SOP. Do not assume!

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

There is no mistaking that Ellen White says the HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

Therefore, she has to be saying that the “Heavenly Trio” is the FATHER, SON and the SPIRIT OF CHRIST or she will be contradicting herself. There is no other option but denial which the deceived choose because they have been so indoctrinated with Satan's lie.

Not only that, but Ellen White did in fact write those exact words proving beyond any doubt this is who she called the Trio.

She wrote:

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

So the third in the Trio = ONE + ONE + ONE = “THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

What many fail to understand is that the “Spirit of Christ” can function like a person separate to Himself so it is like it is “another” person, though not a literal person of course. So we do have a heavenly Trio, but NOT a heavenly Trinity!

How easily we can be deceived if we do not let SOP explain SOP and just assume with a Trinitarian mindset as so many do.

So she was not saying that there is a third god as per the satanic doctrine of the Trinity at all.

This is one of the quotes a Jesuit used to deceive the SDA Church and bring the Trinity doctrine into the Church after the death of Ellen White and the pioneers.

Also, the original handwriting reveals it should have been published as “here are the living three personalities” and not persons. Ellen White often borrows from other writers and borrowed from Trinitarian W. Boardman here. He wrote “three persons” and she changed it to “the living three personalities.” Note the insertion of the word “the” and “persons” changed to “personalities.”

Hence someone did not type what she actually wrote. So one might also ask why the need for dishonesty?

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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Heavenly Trio from Ellen White

 

WHO DID ELLEN WHITE CALL THE HEAVENLY TRIO? (Long Version)

Here is the quote in question:

The COMFORTER that CHRIST PROMISED TO SEND after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. HERE ARE THE LIVING THREE PERSONALITIES OF THE HEAVENLY TRIO; [Ellen White did NOT write: THERE ARE THREE LIVING PERSONS OF THE HEAVENLY TRIO] in the name of these THREE GREAT POWERS—the FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.” — (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. Ev 615.1)

Cherry picking statements from Ellen White's writings that could fit a Trinitarian concept of God while ignoring the tens of thousands of statements from her that do not fit the Trinitarian concept is a dishonest way to use her writings.

To understand correctly what God has revealed through Ellen White, and find out what her beliefs were on this topic, it is necessary to quote all that she wrote on this subject, not just be selective in what we quote to suit our own agenda. That would be tantamount to deception.

SO LET'S LET ELLEN WHITE TELL US WHO SHE CALLED THE TRIO.

Note that Ellen White wrote “Heavenly Trio,” not “Heavenly Trinity!” The Trinity teaches 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are not 3 gods but one God! But a trio is just three of something. So the Trio of course is simply the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I hope we all agree who the Father and Son are. So what we need to know is who Ellen White says the Holy Spirit is, and hence who she says is third in the Heavenly Trio? She wrote those words so ONLY she knows what she meant. Let SOP explain SOP. Do not assume!

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

There is no mistaking that Ellen White says the HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

Therefore, she has to be saying that the “Heavenly Trio” is the FATHER, SON and the SPIRIT OF CHRIST or she will be contradicting herself. There is no other option but denial which the deceived often choose because they have been so indoctrinated with Satan's lie.

Not only that, but Ellen White did in fact write those exact words proving beyond any doubt this is who she called the Trio.

She wrote:

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

So the third in the Trio = ONE + ONE + ONE = “THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

What many fail to understand is that the “Spirit of Christ” can function like a person separate to Himself so it is like it is “another” person, though not a literal person of course. So we do have a heavenly Trio, but NOT a heavenly Trinity!

That is twice we have just proven that Ellen White said the SPIRIT OF CHRIST is the third in the Heavenly Trio with unmistakable confirmation. But let's prove it three more times, not that it should be necessary.

Ellen White also wrote in the quote, “The COMFORTER that CHRIST PROMISED TO SEND after He ascended to heaven.”

The COMFORTER of course is the HOLY SPIRIT which is third in the Heavenly Trio. So whose Spirit does Ellen White say Christ sent?

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE HAS SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

One more time:

CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE HAS SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT to REPRESENT HIM in the world till He shall come again.” — (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)

Thus Christ sent HIS SPIRIT. It was not Christ physically but HIS Spirit which can function like a person though is not a literal person of course. So His Spirit is like “ANOTHER” person and why she wrote Heavenly Trio!

Therefore, it should also require no explanation that the Comforter is not Christ physically but His Spirit.

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

So the Spirit that was sent to be our Comforter and is the third in the Heavenly Trio is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. Why would we expect anything else since she wrote:

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

And last, Ellen white wrote “THREE GREAT POWERS—the FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

We know the Father and Son are great powers, and since Ellen White wrote the HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, who do you think the third great power is? There is only one possible answer.

CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

Trinitarians conclude that the third power is another being. But there is NO other POWER in you apart from CHRIST ABIDING IN YOUR HEART by His Holy Spirit in you!

There is NO POWER in you APART from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have CHRIST ABIDING IN YOUR HEART by faith, and He can overcome sin in you,” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

How easily we can be deceived if we do not let SOP explain SOP and just assume with a Trinitarian mindset as so many do.

So she was not saying that there is a third god as per the satanic doctrine of the Trinity at all.

This is one of the quotes a Jesuit used to deceive the SDA Church and bring the Trinity doctrine into the Church after the death of Ellen White and the pioneers.

Also, the original handwriting reveals it should have been published as “here are the living three personalities” and not persons. Ellen White often borrows from other writers and borrowed from Trinitarian W. Boardman here. He wrote “three persons” and she changed it to “the living three personalities.” Note the insertion of the word “the” and “persons” changed to “personalities.”

Hence someone did not type what she actually wrote. So one might also ask why the need for dishonesty?

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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Heavenly Trio from Ellen White

 

Is the Desire Of Ages a Trinitarian Book as the SDA Church Claims?

It is claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian before writing the Desire of Ages and hence is supposedly a Trinitarian book. And since the Desire of Ages is actually full of non-Trinitarian quotes, this proves undeniable deception.

Note the following quotes and the comment behind each one. Every one of these quotes below are non-Trinitarian. So this is yet another lie we are being told. SDA's really need to wake up before it is to late.

All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” — (Desire Of Ages, p. 21) — Christ received everything from His Father including His life.

The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 51) — Jesus was the Son of God before He came to Earth. The trinity doctrine teaches all three are one god and that the Father sent Himself to die playing the role of the Son.

Satan well knew the position that Christ had held in heaven as the Beloved of the Father. That the Son of God should come to this earth as a man filled him with amazement and with apprehension. He could not fathom the mystery of this great sacrifice.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 115) — Same comment as above.

While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matt. 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 166) — It is the Holy Spirit of Christ here on Earth working in us, not another being as per the trinity doctrine which is Satan's counterfeit for the Godhead.

The Saviour had spoken through all the prophets. “The Spirit of Christ which was in them” “testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 234) — The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was also the Holy Spirit of Christ and not another literal being as per the trinity doctrine.

It was Gabriel, the angel next in rank to the Son of God, who came with the divine message to Daniel.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 234) — The Holy Spirit should be the highest being next to the Son of God according to the trinity doctrine, but not so.

When He should come forth from the tomb, their sorrow would be turned to joy. After His ascension He was to be absent in person; but through the Comforter He would still be with them, and they were not to spend their time in mourning.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 278) — Christ by His Holy Spirit is the Comforter, not another being as per the trinity doctrine. Note also: “This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

In the beginning, the Father and the Son had rested on the Sabbath after their work of Creation.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 769) — The trinity doctrine teaches that the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three beings that are only one. But it was only the Father and Son which Scripture also reveals.

And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, Christ breathed His Spirit upon them. He was committing to them a most sacred trust, and He desired to impress them with the fact that without the Holy Spirit this work could not be accomplished.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 805) — The Holy Spirit given by Christ to His disciples and at Pentecost was His own Spirit. Not another literal being as per the trinity doctrine. John 20:22 quoted.

Christ gives them the breath of His own spirit, the life of His own life. The Holy Spirit puts forth its highest energies to work in heart and mind.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 827) — The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, not another being as per the trinity doctrine which was a teaching that begun 348 years after the cross and hence never came from Christ or the disciples. Note also: “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

This is only a small sample of what could be given. Hence the teaching that Ellen White became a Trinitarian by the time she wrote the Desire of Ages is impossible and a deception. Easy to see if your mind is open to the truth.

The deception originates from two misunderstood quotes in the Desire of Ages due to a wrong mind set and ignorance on what else she wrote.

The first is: “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived.” — (Desire of Ages, p. 530). Some assume this means Christ has always existed. But in a later writing of this quote she reveals that is not what she was saying. “He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can POSSESS IT ONLY THROUGH CHRIST. He cannot earn it; IT IS GIVEN HIM as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour.” — (E.G. White, ST, April 8, 1897)

Note this original, unborrowed and underived life can also be given to man. The life of Christ was original, unborrowed and underived as it was given to Him by His Father. “For as the Father has life in Himself; so has He given to the Son to have life in Himself;John 5:26. If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. So the Father gave this life to His Son and through Christ it can be given to us also. So this is NOT a Trinitarian quote as some have assumed.

The second is: “Sin could be resisted and overcome ONLY through the mighty agency of the third person [Spirit Of Christ] of the Godhead,” — (E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 671.2). Parentheses added.

Who is the third person who is the “ONLY” one who can overcome sin in you?

There is no power in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 19, 1904)

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

Hence Ellen White was referring to Christ by His Spirit. So again this is a non-Trinitarian quote. She could not have written a book that had both Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian quotes to state the obvious.

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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Ellen White Third person

 

Ellen White Wrote non-Trinitarian Statements Until Her Death!

It is falsely claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian before writing the Desire of Ages, which was released in 1898, and hence is supposedly a Trinitarian book. And yet the Desire of Ages is actually full of non-Trinitarian quotes. It is also falsely claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian primarily based on a few quotes that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit.

Out of the 25,000,000 words and the tens of thousands of non-Trinitarian quotes that Ellen White wrote, she wrote, “third person of the Godhead” 4 times (duplicated 4 times), “living three personalities of the heavenly trio” 1 time, “the Holy Spirit is as much a person as God is a person” 1 time and that “the Holy Spirit is a divine person” 1 time.

These statements have caused much confusion because most Adventists failed to let SOP explain SOP. And so many have wrongly assumed that Ellen White was supporting the Trinitarian idea that the Holy Spirit is a third god. But that could not be further from the truth and contradicts thousands of other things she wrote.

She called Christ the PERSON of the Holy Spirit, and because Christ’s Spirit can function like a SEPARATE PERSON, she called the Spirit of Christ the third person. She did NOT mean a literal third person which is abundantly clear by looking at what else she wrote!

We have to be able to reconcile all that she wrote, and have the wisdom to know that if we cannot, then we have something wrong! The deceived typically just cherry pick what can be misunderstood on its own and deny what shows they are wrongly assuming what she meant. This is not honest!

There can be no doubt who Ellen White taught as the Holy Spirit. And it is NOT a third being!

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (EGW, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (EGW, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (EGW, Ms36-1891)

And thus she taught the COMFORTER, which is the HOLY SPIRIT, is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST!

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (EGW, 14MR 179.2)

And likewise, she taught the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, which is the HOLY SPIRIT, is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST!

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE HAS SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, [John 16:13 quoted]” — (EGW, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

Who was the Spirit of truth that Christ sent? It was His OWN Spirit! How can this be? Because His Spirit can and does function like a separate person, and why Ellen White called Christ's Spirit the third person.

No one will deny that the Holy Spirit is the third person. So again, who did she say is the Holy Spirit above and hence who she was calling the third person? There can be no doubt that Ellen White taught the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and thus she called Christ's Spirit the third person. She did not mean a literal person and had a reason for using this phrase. Note also that she NEVER called the Holy Spirit a being or god. She ONLY ever called the Father and Son beings.

And since Ellen White taught the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, then she had to be teaching that the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ. Not only is this the case, but she did in fact write exactly this! Remember Christ's Spirit can function like a person separate to Himself and so is like a third person.

Note she wrote this in 1909 which is 11 years after the Desire of Ages when some falsely claim she had become a Trinitarian. Count to see who she taught was the third person of the Heavenly trio! ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.

They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (EGW, 9T 189.3, 1909)

Besides her clarity in revealing that it was the Spirit of Christ she called the third person, she also wrote many statements revealing there are only two beings. Though it seems many Trinitarians choose to remain blind to these statements.

The problem is that Trinitarians fight to prove what they have been taught which closes their minds to finding truth. Their minds are not open to finding truth because they believe they already have it, so they study to prove what they already believe in spite of all the evidence against what they believe.

So while the deceived falsely claim that Ellen White became a Trinitarian based on statements that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only a small part of the equation which was the final part of the Trinity doctrine. The 3 in 1 god idea was made up in 325 AD but the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third god was not made up until 381 AD.

So the basis of the Trinity doctrine is a “3” in “1” god. In other words, 1+1+1=1 !

So in order for Ellen White to be a Trinitarian, she has to teach “3” co-equal, co-eternal gods that are not “3” gods but “1” god.

If Trinitarians CANNOT produce at least ONE clear statement from Ellen White that says the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are “3” gods that are only “1” god, then in fact they have no argument! It means they have misunderstood some of her other statements in regards to the Holy Spirit which the truth seekers know to be the case and have no problems with.

Ellen White never used Trinitarian phrases such as, “God the Holy Spirit,” “God the Spirit,” “God the Son,” “God in three persons,” or “Trinity” in reference to the Godhead, “Triune God,” “Co-equal” in reference to 3 gods, “Co-eternal,” “Consubstantial,” “First Person,” “Second Person,” and “Third person” while referring to a third god. Ellen White taught the third person was the Spirit of Christ.

So Ellen White NEVER in fact taught a “3” in “1” god or even that all “3” are co-equal and co-eternal. And I challenge any Trinitarian to produce a quote from her that says otherwise.

The fact that should also be very clear is that Ellen White CANNOT be both a Trinitarian and a non-Trinitarian!

And if Ellen White wrote non-Trinitarians statements until her death, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to have become a Trinitarian to state the obvious. And not that it should be required, but this also proves that the same old handful of cherry picked quotes the deceived used cannot be Trinitarian.

Below are non-Trinitarian quotes in year order that she wrote from 1900 until 1915 which is the year she died. And you will find that in the year she died she is still stating that Christ by His Holy Spirit is our Comforter. Not some third being or god as the Trinity doctrine claims.

And finally, new light cannot contradict old light or the old light was a lie. God does not and did not lie. No one can deny that Ellen White wrote thousands of non-Trinitarian statements. If the Church went from non-Trinitarian to Trinitarian than God told Ellen White and His Church thousands of lies. What a ludicrous thought.

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We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE US INTO ALL TRUTH, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

The influence of THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE LIFE OF CHRIST in the soul. We do not now see Christ and speak to Him, but HIS HOLY SPIRIT is just as near us in one place as another. It works in and through every one who receives Christ.” — (Ellen G. White, BEcho, June 17, 1901)

In giving us HIS Spirit, God gives us HIMSELF, making Himself a fountain of divine influences, to give health and life to the world.” — (Ellen G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)

CHRIST is to be known by the blessed name of COMFORTER. “The Comforter,” said Christ to His disciples, “which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, [John 14:26 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms7-1902, Jan 26, 1902)

Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE IS THE COMFORTER. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — (E.G. White, RH, Jan 27, 1903)

THE MAN CHRIST JESUS WAS NOT THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms140, Sept 27, 1903)

The UNITY that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, BUT NOT IN PERSON. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904)

With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (EGW, RH, May 19, 1904)

And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” — (E.G. White, RH, July 13, 1905)

BEFORE the foundations of the world were laid, HE, the only begotten SON OF GOD, pledged Himself to become the Redeemer of the human race should men sin. Adam fell, and He, who was partaker of the Father's glory before the world was, laid aside His royal robe and kingly crown and stepped down from His high authority to become a babe in Bethlehem, that He might redeem fallen human beings by passing over the ground where Adam stumbled and fell.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms22-1905)

The SPIRIT of TRUTH is the only effectual teacher of divine truth; those who are taught of Him have entered the school of CHRIST. How must God esteem the race, that He gave HIS SON to die for them, and appoints HIS SPIRIT to be man's teacher and continual guide.” — (E.G. White, ST, Oct 24, 1906)

The HOLY SPIRIT, which PROCEEDS FROM the only begotten SON OF GOD,” — (E.G. White, RH, April 5, 1906)

Through the eternal ages the offensive character of sin will be seen in WHAT IT COST THE FATHER AND THE SON, in the humiliation, suffering, and death of Christ.” — (E.G. White, BTS, Dec 1, 1907)

THE SON OF THE INFINITE GOD CAME TO THIS EARTH, and honoured it with His presence.” — (E.G. White, RH, June 6, 1907)

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?” The Father GAVE HIS SPIRIT without measure to HIS SON, and we also may partake of its fulness.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 5, 1908)

CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

Let them be thankful to God for His manifold mercies and be kind to one another. They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” — (E.G. White, ST, Jan 13, 1909)

All this holding to sentiments of infallibility is a specious device of the angel that was so exalted in the heavenly court. His beauty was so highly exalted that he thought he should be as God, and CHRIST MUST BE SECOND TO HIM; but the Lord informed Satan this could not be possible. CHRIST WAS HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.” — (E.G. White, Lt157-1910)

I have not time or strength to dwell as I would be glad to dwell upon this subject. But I must; I am charged to give you over and over again this same message, brethren. We must have more of the SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST. Your standard must be held with a firm grasp and our souls brought under the SANCTIFICATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST. Let every soul do his best, stand in the SANCTIFICATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, loving the truth, talking the truth, exemplifying the truth by practice.” — (E.G. White, Ms61-1910)

When on His resurrection day these disciples met the Saviour, and their hearts burned within them as they listened to His words; when they looked upon the head and hands and feet that had been bruised for them; when, before His ascension, Jesus led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up His hands in blessing, bade them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel,” adding, “LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAY” (Mark 16:15; Matthew 28:20); when ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST THE PROMISED COMFORTER descended and the power from on high was given AND THE SOULS OF THE BELIEVERS THRILLED WITH THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF THEIR ASCENDED LORD.” — (E.G. White, GC 350.1, 1911)

If your children disobey you, take them alone and talk with them. SHOW THEM THAT THEY HAVE GRIEVED THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.” — (E.G. White, Ms25-1911)

It is God’s purpose that our health institutions shall become very effectual means for bringing souls to the light of truth. Much more should be done to encourage. Only when we do our best for the upbuilding of Christ’s kingdom can the words be spoken to us, Well done, good and faithful servant. Only as we exemplify the SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN OUR LIVES CAN CHRIST’S SPIRIT WORK with us to convict hearts and convert souls to the gospel.” — (E.G. White, Ms57-1912)

Heavenly agencies will cooperate with all who will follow on to know the Lord, working for the extension of Christ’s kingdom. Then let the words spoken be earnest and intelligent, revealing the sanctifying power of the Spirit of truth. The humblest worker, if his heart is IMBUED WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, can win souls to him; for with such a worker the angels of God can cooperate, speaking to the soul, and opening heart and mind to receive the truth.” — (E.G. White, RH, Jan 18, 1912)

JESUS WILL BE WITH YOU; HE WILL GO BEFORE YOU BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, preparing the way; and he will be your helper in every emergency.” — (E.G. White, RH, June 12, 1913)

O, let it be seen, my brethren, that JESUS IS ABIDING IN THE HEART, sustaining, strengthening, comforting! It is your privilege to be endowed, from day to day, with A RICH MEASURE OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT, and to have broadened views of the importance and scope of the message we are proclaiming to the world.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 29, 1913)

We need to be guided by the SPIRIT OF TRUTH. EVERY FOLLOWER OF CHRIST SHOULD EARNESTLY INQUIRE, “LORD, WHAT WILT THOU HAVE ME TO DO?” We need to humble ourselves before the Lord, with fasting and prayer, and to meditate much upon his Word, especially upon the scenes of the judgment.” — (E.G. White, RH, Sept 10, 1914)

It is not a profession of faith, or a name registered in the church book, that constitutes us children of God. It is A VITAL CONNECTION WITH CHRIST. WE MUST BE ONE WITH HIM, IMBUED WITH HIS SPIRIT, partakers of the divine nature, crucified to the world with its affections and lusts, renewed in knowledge and true holiness.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 12, 1914)

When on His resurrection day these disciples met the Saviour, and their hearts burned within them as they listened to His words; when they looked upon the head and hands and feet that had been bruised for them; when, before His ascension, Jesus led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up His hands in blessing, bade them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel,” adding, “LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAY;” when on the day of Pentecost THE PROMISED COMFORTER DESCENDED, and the power from on high was given, and the souls of the believers thrilled with the CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF THEIR ASCENDED LORD,” — (E.G. White, LSMS 110.1, 1915)

non-Trinitarian phrases

 

What Causes the Most Confusion in Understanding the Holy Spirit?

Note carefully the following quote that explains the truth God gave His remnant.

This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” — (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890)

Ellen White confirms saying, “The Father GAVE HIS SPIRIT without measure to HIS SON,” (RH, Nov 5, 1908), they are “two in individuality, yet ONE IN SPIRIT,” (YI, Dec 16, 1897)

Thus the Holy Spirit is the mind, power and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends through His Son to us, and why Ellen White wrote the HOLY SPIRIT is, “the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (Ms36, 1891)

And so the Holy Spirit can rightfully be called the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. “We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” — (EGW, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

Despite these clear words, and hundreds more like it, how many times have you heard comments like the following as supposed evidence that the Holy Spirit is another being and not the Spirit of Christ?

Why does Jesus call the Comforter “another” if it is His Spirit? (John 14:16)
And yet Ellen White wrote “This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (14MR 179.2)

Or why does Jesus say that the Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth and will glorify Himself if it is His Spirit? (John 16:13-14)
And yet Ellen White wrote “We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, [John 16:13 quoted]” — (Ms30, June 18, 1900)

And the same confusion comes from quotes like the following from Ellen White and others like it. The deceived say “if the Holy Spirit has a distinct personality then it must be another being.”

The HOLY SPIRIT is the COMFORTER, in Christ's name. He PERSONIFIES CHRIST, yet is a DISTINCT PERSONALITY.” — (EGW, 20MR 324.2)

And yet, since Ellen White wrote “the HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST,” (14MR 84.3) and that the COMFORTER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, then there should be no confusion as this alone is conclusive of exactly who she is referring to.

But the deceived are often blind to all Ellen White wrote that reveals they are in error. They fail to reconcile all that she wrote and see only what fits their chosen interpretation. Sadly, it is easy to abuse a few quotes from Ellen White, but not hard to see the real truth if you reconcile all that she wrote by letting SOP explain SOP as we should Scripture.

So why does Scripture and SOP often speak of the Holy Spirit like it is “ANOTHER” person?

Because Christ's Spirit CAN and DOES function like a SEPARATE PERSON. His own Spirit represents Himself, glorifies Himself, and hence personifies Himself. This is what most fail to understand. And so His Spirit is therefore spoken of as “ANOTHER” quite often.

Below Ellen White states that Christ has left HIS SPIRIT in the world to represent Him. Most respond, “how can His own Spirit represent Himself?” So many fail to realize that the Spirit of Christ can function like a person separate to Himself just like “another” person. This is the nature of the Holy Spirit that Ellen White said we cannot understand.

CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS representative in the world,” — (EGW, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)

Ellen White understood that “representative” does not make a third being, but that Christ represents Himself in a different form. God and His Son have a Spirit and that is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

And yet some still respond, “How can Jesus be the Holy Spirit? Jesus is in the heavenly sanctuary!” Some have a lot of trouble grasping this for some reason. Below Ellen White explains that while Christ ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by HIS Spirit ministering on earth. Again we find that the Spirit of Christ can and does function like a separate person.

While JESUS ministers in the sanctuary above, HE is still by HIS SPIRIT the minister of the church on earth. HE is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but HIS parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:20. While HE delegates HIS power to inferior ministers, HIS energizing presence is still with HIS church.” — (EGW, DA, p. 166)

Did you get that? Christ is physically MINISTERING in the Heavenly Sanctuary and by HIS Spirit HE is also MINISTERING on earth. Thus His Spirit can and does function like another person!

So Christ’s Spirit PERSONIFIES Himself and it is like His Spirit has a DISTINCT PERSONALITY as His Spirit can function independently of Himself like “another” person.

If His Spirit can represent Himself, then His Spirit is like “another” person, though not a literal person of course. From what Ellen White wrote, this cannot be denied!

In the first part of this quote below, she clearly speaks of the Holy Spirit like it is another. But is it? No!

Cumbered with humanity, CHRIST could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth.

Here is the remainder of the above quote.

The Holy Spirit is [Christ] HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. HE would REPRESENT HIMSELF as present in all places by HIS Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.” — (EGW, Lt119, Feb 18, 1895)

So again we see that His Spirit is like another person. Any wonder she used the phrase “third person” but never first or second person. Sadly, this has confused many.

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, [John 16:13 quoted]” — (EGW, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

With the above quote in mind, this would also be a correct way of writing John 16:13 unless you choose to call Ellen White a false prophet.

John 16:13Howbeit when “My Spirit”, the Spirit of truth, is come, “My Spirit” will guide you into all truth: for “My Spirit” shall not speak of himself; (but what my Father says) but whatsoever “My Spirit” shall hear, (from my Father) that shall “My Spirit” speak: and “My Spirit” will show you things to come.

And so again we find Christ is speaking of His Spirit as being like “another” just as He did in John 14:16.

So Christ’s Spirit does PERSONIFY HIMSELF, represents Himself, glorifies Himself and has a DISTINCT PERSONALITY, since His Spirit can function independently of Himself like “another” person.

Seems many try to put human limitations on Christ’s Spirit and what His Spirit can do. His Spirit is Divine, NOT human, and can do what our Spirit cannot.

This is what so many miss and causes many to think the Holy Spirit is NOT a Spirit but another being. A person has a spirit but a spirit is not and never can be a person or it would cease to be a spirit.

The Spirit of God is the Spirit OF God. Not something Trinitarians call “god the spirit” which Scripture never says.

Once you understand and see this simple fact then there is no more confusion.

We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ

 

Who did Ellen White say is the:
Holy Spirit, Comforter, Spirit of truth, Third Person and Heavenly Trio?

PART 1:
Some are so indoctrinated with Satan’s Trinitarian lie today that they use various erroneous ideas and deceptions to try and hide who the Comforter and Spirit of truth is, which of course is the Holy Spirit.

Below is one of their arguments that is either wilfully blind or ignorant. Either that or they are liars and deceivers. There is no other option. This I will prove soon.

John 16:8,13 “And when HE is come, HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment…Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of HIMSELF; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will show you things to come.”
Notice Jesus continually refers to the Holy Spirit as HE or HIM meaning the Holy Spirit is a distinct being or person from Jesus Himself.

So they say that because Jesus called the Spirit of truth a “HE” and “HIM” it has to be a distinct being or person from Jesus Himself???

Says who?

This demonstrates terrible wilful blindness or ignorance at its worse!

Ellen White writes in unmistakable words that the “Holy Spirit” is the “Spirit of Christ” and hence she also writes that His Spirit is the Spirit of truth, and that Christ sends “HIS” Spirit to represent “HIMSELF.”

Now why do the wilfully blind or ignorant think that John would call JESUS anything other than a “HE” or a “HIM??”

I can quite assure you that Jesus Christ is a “HE” and a “HIM” even if it is by HIS Spirit !

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PART 2:
The wilfully blind or ignorant also claim in an attempt at hiding the truth, that there are two Comforters. This is in response to Jesus saying that “HE” will not leave us comfortless and that “HE” would come back to us (John 14:18), and to Ellen White who also says that Christ is “THE” Comforter. So to this they say yes, Jesus is one comforter but the “another” Comforter in John 14:16 is the Holy Spirit, which is “another” Comforter. And in a sense they are right. But not in the way they are thinking.

Christ was a Comforter to the disciples by His physical presence. But the Greek word allos for “another” in John 14:16 means another of the exact same kind. So who is the “another,” which is the Holy Spirit and exactly the same as Christ?

Ellen White tells us that the “Holy Spirit” is the “Spirit of Christ” and hence the “another” is Christ’s Spirit that can function independently of “HIMSELF” like “another” person.

Below are undeniable quotes from SOP that prove who this “HE” and “HIM” is, that is, “THE” Comforter and Spirit of truth, which is the Holy Spirit, which can function like “ANOTHER” person!

The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency.” — (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)

but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

And thus she taught that the COMFORTER, which is the HOLY SPIRIT, is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST!

This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called THE COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

Now note this quote below is verbatim. Ellen White tells us in words you cannot miss that the “ANOTHER COMFORTER” “IS CHRIST !” Not something called god the holy spirit which Scripture never says!

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, even the Spirit of truth, (WHICH IS CHRIST formed within the hope of glory,) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless. [John 14:16-18 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms24, February 22, 1898)

And since Ellen White says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, then she must also say that the Spirit of truth, which is the Holy Spirit, is also the Spirit of Christ !

Does she? Of course!

Christ was about to depart to His home in the heavenly courts. But He assured His disciples that He would send them another Comforter, who would abide with them forever. To the guidance of this Comforter all who believe in CHRIST may implicitly trust. HE is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, but this truth the world can neither discern nor receive.” — (E.G. White, 12MR 260.1)

We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were HIS first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all TRUTH, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

Note John 16:13 is quoted. Now whose Spirit did Christ send??

“HIS” Spirit !

How can this be?

Because “HIS” can and function like “ANOTHER” person and why Ellen White called the Holy Spirit the THIRD PERSON, which is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST !

That being the case then Ellen White had to be calling the Heavenly trio the following:

1. The Father
2. Jesus His Son (our Saviour)
3. The Spirit of Christ

Did she actually write these words? YES SHE DID!

Let them be thankful to God for His manifold mercies and be kind to one another. They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

So again, who did she call the third person???

THIRD PERSON in the Trio = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.

Did she mean a literal person? OF COURSE NOT!

She used this term because Christ’s Spirit can function like a “another” person!

She also wrote this which gets abused and misunderstood!

The HOLY SPIRIT is the COMFORTER, in Christ's name. He PERSONIFIES CHRIST, yet is a DISTINCT PERSONALITY.” — (E.G. White, 20MR 324.2)

So looking at this quote:

Who did she say is the Holy Spirit? “THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST!”

Who did she say is the Comforter? “THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST!”

So we already have our answer and proof twice over as to who she was referring to! The wilfully blind only focus on the second half of this quote and ignore the first part that you cannot possibly get wrong as to who she is referring to.

And does Christ’s Spirit personify “HIMSELF” since it is “HIS” Spirit? OF COURSE IT DOES!

And since Christ’s Spirit can function like “another” person, does “HIS” Spirit have a distinct personality? OF COURSE IT DOES!

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PART 3:
Below Ellen White states that Christ has left HIS SPIRIT in the world to represent Him. Most respond, “how can His own Spirit represent Himself?” So many fail to realize that the Spirit of Christ can function like a person separate to Himself just like “another” person. This is the nature of the Holy Spirit that Ellen White said we cannot understand.

CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS representative in the world,” — (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)

Ellen White understood that “representative” does not make a third being, but that Christ represents Himself in a different form. God and His Son have a Spirit and that is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

And yet some still respond, “How can Jesus be the Holy Spirit? Jesus is in the heavenly sanctuary!” Some have a lot of trouble grasping this for some reason. Below Ellen White explains that while Christ ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by HIS Spirit ministering on earth. Again we find that the Spirit of Christ can and does function like a separate person.

While JESUS ministers in the sanctuary above, HE is still by HIS SPIRIT the minister of the church on earth. HE is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but HIS parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:20. While HE delegates HIS power to inferior ministers, HIS energizing presence is still with HIS church.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 166)

Did you get that? Christ is physically MINISTERING in the Heavenly Sanctuary and by HIS Spirit HE is also MINISTERING on earth. Thus His Spirit can and does function like another person!

So Christ’s Spirit PERSONIFIES Himself and it is like His Spirit has a DISTINCT PERSONALITY as His Spirit can function independently of Himself like “another” person.

If His Spirit can represent Himself, then His Spirit is like “another” person, though not a literal person of course. From what Ellen White wrote, this cannot be denied!

In the first part of this quote below, she clearly speaks of the Holy Spirit like it is another. But is it? No!

Cumbered with humanity, CHRIST could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth.

Here is the remainder of the above quote.

The Holy Spirit is [Christ] HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. HE would REPRESENT HIMSELF as present in all places by HIS Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.” — (E.G. White, Lt119, Feb 18, 1895)

So again we see that His Spirit is like another person. Any wonder she used the phrase “third person” but never first or second person. Sadly, this has confused many.

The answer never changes. There are a few quotes from Ellen White that can be misunderstood on their own as you have just seen, which a Jesuit used to bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church. But letting SOP explain SOP, there is no mistaking she was referring to the SPIRIT OF CHRIST every time.

She said:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings in the Godhead.

Cherry picking statements from Ellen White's writings that would fit into a Trinitarian concept of God while ignoring her statements that do not fit the Trinitarian concept of God is a dishonest way to use her writings. To understand correctly what God has revealed through Ellen White, and find out what her beliefs were on this topic, it is necessary to quote all that she wrote on this subject, not just be selective in what we quote to suit our own agenda. That would be tantamount to deception.

And this is what the wilfully blind always do sadly. Learn to recognize them and stay well clear of them.

We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ

 

Are you Worshipping the Wrong God on the True Sabbath?

The mark of the beast has to do with worshipping the one true God of the Sabbath on His Holy day. But do you believe in the one true God of the Bible, or the pagan 3 in 1 Trinity God.

The Trinity is a man made doctrine inspired by Satan to steal your soul. If you are worshipping the wrong God on the true Sabbath, you will still receive the mark of the beast!

Many in fact are worshipping the wrong God on the Sabbath and hence are keeping the Sabbath in vain.

So who do you worship? The one true God and His Son or the pagan Trinitarian 3 in 1 god which claims they are not a real Father and Son. Only the right one will give you eternal life.

And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3

Please watch this video for excellent detail on what many have no idea about that could save your soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZIDoJML2s

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NOTE: God raised the Adventist Church as non-Trinitarian. The Trinity doctrine was slowly brought into the Adventist Church long AFTER the death of Ellen White and the pioneers by a suspected Jesuit who is also a known Freemason.

Jealous of God's Son, Satan wants us to deny He is the literal Son of God. Thus the satanic doctrine of the Trinity does this which the Apostle John called antichrist. And the idea of the Holy Spirit as another being was Satan's idea so he could get worship for his creation.

The real truth is that the “Holy Spirit” is the power and presence of God and of Christ which can function independently of themselves like a third (but not a literal third) and is how “They” represent “Themselves” where they are not personally present.

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Does the Phrase Holy, Holy, Holy Imply a Trinity as Some Claim?

The Trinity doctrine was brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church more than 200 years AFTER the Bible was written and was inspired by Satan to steal souls from the kingdom.

And not only is the Trinity a man made doctrine, but the Bible was in fact written mostly by Jews. The Jews have NEVER believed in the Trinity doctrine and they have NEVER taught the Holy Spirit is a third god.

NOT in the beginning and still NOT today. Not ever!

So the answer to this terrible attempt at pushing a lie is a definite no!

Those who attempt to push this terrible lie apparently do not know Scripture well or the language of the Jews. Sadly, Doug Batchelor is one such person. A good speaker in many areas. But when it comes to the Trinity, his heart is filled with prejudice.

The spirit in which you come to the investigation of the Scriptures will determine the character of the assistant at your side. Angels from the world of light will be with those who in humility of heart seek for divine guidance. ... But if the heart is filled with prejudice, Satan is beside you, and he will set the plain statements of God's Word in a perverted light.” — (E.G. White, Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p.108)

Below is the Scripture most commonly used for this eisegesis. Eisegesis is the process of misinterpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that it introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, and or biases into and onto the text. Shame on anyone doing this!

Revelation 4:8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Which comes from…

Isaiah 6:3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Note the following Bible Commentary that explains very clearly.

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible. Albert Barnes (1798-1870)
Holy, holy, holy - The “repetition” of a name, or of an expression, three times, was quite common among the Jews. Thus, in Jer_7:4, the Jews are represented by the prophet as saying, ‘the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, are these. Thus, Jer_22:29 : ‘O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord;’ Eze_21:27 : ‘I will overturn, overturn, overturn;’ see also 1Sa_18:23 : ‘O my son Absalom! my son, my son;’ see also the repetition of the form of benediction among the Jews, Num_6:24-26 :
Jehovah bless thee and keep thee;
Jehovah make his face to shine upon thee,
And be gracious unto thee;
Jehovah lift up his countenance upon thee,
And give thee peace.
In like manner, the number “seven” is used by the Hebrews to denote a great, indefinite number; then a full or complete number; and then perfectness, completion. Thus, in Rev_1:4; Rev_3:1; Rev_4:5, the phrase, ‘the seven spirits of God,’ occurs as applicable to the Holy Spirit, denoting his fullness, completeness, perfection. The Hebrews usually expressed the superlative degree by the repetition of a word. Thus, Gen_14:10 : ‘The vale of Siddim, pits, pits of of clay,’ that is, was full of pits; see Nordheimer’s “Heb. Gram.” Section 822-824. The form was used, therefore, among the Jews, to denote “emphasis;” and the expression means in itself no more than ‘thrice holy;’ that is, supremely holy. Most commentators, however, have supposed that there is here a reference to the doctrine of the Trinity. It is not probable that the Jews so understood it; but applying to the expressions the fuller revelations of the New Testament, it cannot be doubted that the words will express that. Assuming that that doctrine is true, it cannot be doubted, think, that the seraphs laid the foundation of their praise in that doctrine.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God almighty